My 65 race car

[Jonny Grigg]

This may be a stupid question Andy, but honestly, what is/was so wrong with the VW torsion beam? I understand why you did the double wishbone solution at the rear, but I am just not getting why you are trying to graft both ends of a Boxster to your car......

Sorry if that sounds negative- it is not meant that way- but it looks like an awful lot of trouble, with a number of elements that require some science to work well together, especially with the potential of your running gear combo.

You could just build a tube car with a Lamb/Strange strut front end 

[Andy Sykes]

Hi there's nothing wrong with the torsion beam front end at all. I just like making things lol

Cheers Andy

[Martin]

I stilled called first dibs on the motor when it goes into the wall....

[Andy Sykes]

I guess when I get to have spent as much as you and still only be in the high nines that's when it's time for me to give up  and just buy a fast car 

Cheers andy

[tikimadness]

I guess when I get to have spent as much as you and still only be in the high nines that's when it's time for me to give up  and just buy a fast car 

Cheers andy

outch now behave ladies

Michael

[Martin]

I guess when I get to have spent as much as you and still only be in the high nines that's when it's time for me to give up  and just buy a fast car 

Cheers andy

Bring it...

[Andy Sykes]

Your not having my engine yet I haven't crashed yet 

Anyway I had an interesting time at santapod this weekend not much VW racing but seeing what other guys do is very interesting the front wheel drive guys are getting very quick, and people  used to say front wheels drive is no good for drag racing looks good to me

Cheers andy

[leec]

Did Richie run this weekend?
Lee

[Andy Sykes]

Yeah he did car sounds strong and looks very straight I'm sure that 8 is very close

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

So I've made nothing dangerous today just spent a few hours mounting the rear wings and thanking my small brain I didn't finish the header lol





That bit needs moving



Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

rear valance and deck lid on and I have room woo





cant hide the fuel pump lol








just need to flip front to be finished and I may be able to start thinking about paint

cheers andy

[richie]

PM sent

cheers Richie

[Andy Sykes]

So bit of a major set back I've been working out my ratios for my 930 box and its pants yes I could get 230mph at 8k but over about 3 miles as I will be off boost on most of he 1/4  so looks like I need to rethink this bit 

[Andy Sykes]

So here is the chart


Drive Ratio
1st  × 4.22= 9.50
2nd  × 4.22= 5.49
3rd  × 4.22= 3.76
4th  × 4.22= 2.74
Gear RatioR&P RatioOverall
Drive Ratio
RPM Drops
Based on 8000 RPM
1st to 2nd   =   3378
2nd to 3rd   =   2523
3rd to 4th   =   2157
Gear   Speed at bottom of gear*   Speed at top of gear*   Speed range of gear*   % of Pull
1st   -   65.2   -   
-
2nd   65.2   112.8   47.6   
29.7%
3rd   112.8   164.8   52.0   
32.4%
4th   164.8   225.7   60.9   
37.9%
Vehicle Top Speed*
Based on 8000 RPM.
226
*All speeds in MPH
Alternate Gear Combinations
These gear combinations will result in the exact same "Overall Drive Ratios" as the R&P and gears you entered in Step 1 and Step 2 above.
R&P Ratio   3.44   3.88   4.13   4.22   4.38   4.57   4.86   5.14   5.38   5.43   5.86   6.14   6.17
1st Gear   2.76   2.45   2.30   2.25   2.17   2.08   1.95   1.85   1.77   1.75   1.62   1.55   1.54
2nd Gear   1.60   1.41   1.33   1.30   1.25   1.20   1.13   1.07   1.02   1.01   0.94   0.89   0.89
3rd Gear   1.09   0.97   0.91   0.89   0.86   0.82   0.77   0.73   0.70   0.69   0.64   0.61   0.61
4th Gear   0.80   0.71   0.66   0.65   0.63   0.60   0.56   0.53   0.51   0.50   0.47   0.45   0.44
Adjust R&P Ratio

2.25
1.30
0.89
0.65
Vehicle Speed (MPH)
RPM   1st   2nd   3rd   4th
RPM   1st   2nd   3rd   4th
1000   8.1   14.1   20.6   28.2
1100   9.0   15.5   22.7   31.0
1200   9.8   16.9   24.7   33.9
1300   10.6   18.3   26.8   36.7
1400   11.4   19.7   28.8   39.5
1500   12.2   21.2   30.9   42.3
1600   13.0   22.6   33.0   45.1
1700   13.9   24.0   35.0   48.0
1800   14.7   25.4   37.1   50.8
1900   15.5   26.8   39.1   53.6
2000   16.3   28.2   41.2   56.4
2100   17.1   29.6   43.3   59.2
2200   17.9   31.0   45.3   62.1
2300   18.7   32.4   47.4   64.9
2400   19.6   33.9   49.4   67.7
2500   20.4   35.3   51.5   70.5
2600   21.2   36.7   53.6   73.3
2700   22.0   38.1   55.6   76.2
2800   22.8   39.5   57.7   79.0
2900   23.6   40.9   59.7   81.8
3000   24.4   42.3   61.8   84.6
3100   25.3   43.7   63.9   87.5
3200   26.1   45.1   65.9   90.3
3300   26.9   46.5   68.0   93.1
3400   27.7   48.0   70.1   95.9
3500   28.5   49.4   72.1   98.7
3600   29.3   50.8   74.2   101.6
3700   30.2   52.2   76.2   104.4
3800   31.0   53.6   78.3   107.2
3900   31.8   55.0   80.4   110.0
4000   32.6   56.4   82.4   112.8
4100   33.4   57.8   84.5   115.7
4200   34.2   59.2   86.5   118.5
4300   35.0   60.7   88.6   121.3
4400   35.9   62.1   90.7   124.1
4500   36.7   63.5   92.7   126.9
4600   37.5   64.9   94.8   129.8
4700   38.3   66.3   96.8   132.6
4800   39.1   67.7   98.9   135.4
4900   39.9   69.1   101.0   138.2
5000   40.7   70.5   103.0   141.1
5100   41.6   71.9   105.1   143.9
5200   42.4   73.3   107.1   146.7
RPM   1st   2nd   3rd   4th
RPM   1st   2nd   3rd   4th
5300   43.2   74.8   109.2   149.5
5400   44.0   76.2   111.3   152.3
5500   44.8   77.6   113.3   155.2
5600   45.6   79.0   115.4   158.0
5700   46.5   80.4   117.4   160.8
5800   47.3   81.8   119.5   163.6
5900   48.1   83.2   121.6   166.4
6000   48.9   84.6   123.6   169.3
6100   49.7   86.0   125.7   172.1
6200   50.5   87.5   127.7   174.9
6300   51.3   88.9   129.8   177.7
6400   52.2   90.3   131.9   180.5
6500   53.0   91.7   133.9   183.4
6600   53.8   93.1   136.0   186.2
6700   54.6   94.5   138.0   189.0
6800   55.4   95.9   140.1   191.8
6900   56.2   97.3   142.2   194.7
7000   57.0   98.7   144.2   197.5
7100   57.9   100.1   146.3   200.3
7200   58.7   101.6   148.3   203.1
7300   59.5   103.0   150.4   205.9
7400   60.3   104.4   152.5   208.8
7500   61.1   105.8   154.5   211.6
7600   61.9   107.2   156.6   214.4
7700   62.8   108.6   158.6   217.2
7800   63.6   110.0   160.7   220.0
7900   64.4   111.4   162.8   222.9
8000   65.2   112.8   164.8   225.7
8100   66.0   114.3   166.9   228.5
8200   66.8   115.7   168.9   231.3
8300   67.6   117.1   171.0   234.1
8400   68.5   118.5   173.1   237.0
8500   69.3   119.9   175.1   239.8
8600   70.1   121.3   177.2   242.6
8700   70.9   122.7   179.2   245.4
8800   71.7   124.1   181.3   248.3
8900   72.5   125.5   183.4   251.1
9000   73.3   126.9   185.4   253.9
9100   74.2   128.4   187.5   256.7
9200   75.0   129.8   189.5   259.5
9300   75.8   131.2   191.6   262.4
9400   76.6   132.6   193.7   265.2
9500   77.4   134.0   195.7   268.0

So basically if I change at 8k my rpm will drop by nearly a 1/2, now I'm guessing but I would think I would want it to drop by a about 1/4 to keep boost. I'm going to loom a bit more into this as there were other ratios out there for 930s so I better get looking as year the car will be fast but over about 3 miles lol.

But I'm still on it

So a few questions never fitted a flip front so do I cut here ?



And do I seam weld this bit ?




So a bit of weight loss




Cheers Andy

[Neil Davies]

You're close with the flip front cutting, but in danger of going too far! On photo one the vertical line is in about the right place but too long. Look at where the wing bolt line is cut off - you want to come horizontally back from there. On what is left of the quarter panel on my old car, there had been a 20mm wide strip welded on at 90deg to the quarter, almost like a return lip. Also, the area where the heater pipe comes up the door post had been capped off with what looked like a piece of old wing to get the curve right!! I might have some pictures on my laptop, I'll look later.

You've cut more out of the doors than I would have.  I left the area for the door handle, with the diagonal piece running across the door and a vertical above the handle aperture. Not much more weight than yours but it allowed me to run the stock handles in the stock position.

[Andy Sykes]

Thanks Neil that helps a lot pics would be great I like the idea of the return lip it would finish it off , so I'm on back on with the electrics that is a project in its self lol



It's going to take a lot of work to get this all to work together but this is one thing i do know about haha, a lot of it I can get a lot it it to work down the CanBus , I'm going to make about 4 looms to gather all the information into the data logger so fingers crossed there will no guessing what the car it doing

I'm going to be logging

Speed
Suspension height
Egt on each cylinder
AFR on each cylinder
Rpm
Oil presure
Fuel presure
Oil temp
Air temp before and after charge cooler
Boost
G force
GPS
Wheel spin
Gear changes

And I will be able to link any of it into the camera system and view what ever happens at any time of the run

Cheers andy

[peach_]

is that a ADL or SDL motec dash?

[Andy Sykes]

Hi Peach

It's a Dash II by race technology as it the data logger and camera system it has sensor inputs but also gets data from the DTA CanBus

I've got this 36 way 10 amp connector for the engine harness



Also started on the thankless  task of seam welding the joins on the from end



Then I will have to seam seal the inside as I've had to scrap out the original sealant to weld up

Cheers andy

[peach_]

cool, when you say suspension height, are you meaning ride height ie body to ground measurement
or Damper travel?

[Andy Sykes]

Hi it will be damper travel I found some sensors that jag use that turn out to be the same as porsche use on the 997 with 3 connections

12+
12-
Linear 0-5v output

[benlawrence]

great stuff, but damn your car gives me a headache  I feel like im in the stoneage with stock beam vw trans and a motor that runs a dizzy and coil, keep it up.

[Andy Sykes]

great stuff, but damn your car gives me a headache  I feel like im in the stoneage with stock beam vw trans and a motor that runs a dizzy and coil, keep it up.

Lol it's been a headache for me today I've been redoing the looms to day and about 70% there now after a 14 hour shift

Multi pin 10amp plug and socket for the engine harness





Just about got this lot working together







Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

So I started on my wing today









Bit more to do but I like it so far

Cheers andy

[Mabbo]

That looks cool as fook

Great car dude

[Neil Davies]

Andy, it looks like all my photos have gone off my laptop so I've got nothing to show you I'm afraid! Hopefully what I wrote above makes sense though! If you want to mark it out and then post pic before you cut, go for it and I'll do my best to show you what to do!

[Andy Sykes]

Andy, it looks like all my photos have gone off my laptop so I've got nothing to show you I'm afraid! Hopefully what I wrote above makes sense though! If you want to mark it out and then post pic before you cut, go for it and I'll do my best to show you what to do!

Thanks Neil your description has helped a lot I think I Sussed it from that there are some pics up there ^^^


So a little bit more

Swaged some holes for a bit of rigid ness



And Bit of rolling and a few bends




Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

no work on the car today but a bit on the race trailer



Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

so another silly idea I had a while bad thought I would see what it looked like so I have some fins laser cut







ummm ?

[Lids]

Andy, Stop making work for your self.

[modnrod]

What?!?!?! Don't stop man!
I'm enjoying watching the "shed time".