The Cal-look Lounge

here's some old cal look report from the sept 90 hot vws & super vw n°62 ( old school issue) and vowo feb 96
bill schwimmer & stephan szantai(ex jim lowe) , hector bonnilla

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super vw n°62

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 :o  the car was great too with the grey brms & t bird  :o
hot vws sept 90 issue

bill shwimmer 59 with the 1776cc

hector bonnilla 67 with 1641 engine

report from super vw  ;)

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hey
I like much this 59 ragtop bill's / 57 ovale ragtop stephan's lol

COOOOOOOOL PIC's dude but how about a few more of Hectors - I LOVE THAT CAR - doesn't it run Black T bars now  ??? :)

same here. love hectors car! but i perfer it with the bumpers, and indeed it is running black t-bars at the moment and i like it alot with the black exhaust as well. not some shiny ceramic coated one or stainless steel muffler. just plain black paint. i like that.

and i have had a long time figuring out that Stephans car is the same car as Jim Lowe's car...  ::) it does change a car so much with painted or raw BRM's. i think Azure62 (???) was looking for ideas about it, but here you have the proof. just a matter of taste really. but i still like raw ones.
and Bill's car, classic!

the best bug ever made  ;D :P

I have that issue of Super VW. Stephan was kind enough to send me a copy several years ago when I emailed him about his car. (Always been one of my favorites.)

--louis

The Heads form Stehpan's Oval where my fisrt set of performance Heads on the Blackbomber...

The Berg/Steve Denham head made 188HP on my 2180cc ;D ;D ;D

Frank

Interesting.... shooting a Cal Look car in a grave yard... Never thought of that.

the B. Simurda article has to be one of my favorites.  Any early 90's DKP articles, to me are super cool

Sept 90 hot vws was the first vw magzine I ever bought.
I knew then what kind of car I wanted.
Cool cars, I like the dash of Bill Swimmer car with monster tach in place
of the origanal speedo.  

Remember the days BEFORE the BRM repro wheels, Flat-4 Empi steering wheels, etc..., were available ?
How excited and jealous you were when you saw a car featured that had those items you just dreamed about ?
Ah, the old days.
 :'(

LOL Richard Those were the Days  now It's Resto Cal"  ::)

no it's not.

I call it "Repro-Cal"
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I Call IT NEW SCHOOL theres nothing old about it"  Empi 5 and 8 Spoke Repops, BRM Repops, Radiars=Randars,DDS Dino's= Ercos, Centerlines  copied buy some crappy cast look alike, Alloys,Gas Burners All Repoped..  CAN YOU SAY REPOP if it sell they will repop it.

Call them what you want, but while you guys are trying to keep a shine to your "OG" mags, I will be out driving my car with the repop burners.  ;D

--louis

I don't really see where the problem is...

There Is No Problem Just Stating Eveything Old Gets Repoped which is good in a way Because it Drives the Pice up On Original Stuff but on the Down Side Everyone has the same thing because of Repops

roland, problem is there is somebody who is saying "those were the days" about cars he has previously insinuated belonged to the "resto cal" trend, not the real Cal Look, because of moldings, bumpers, whatever. Now he's applauding these cars as part of an era that were "the days"  Those cars are about identical then as they are now (Stephan's is much nicer now, I've seen it then and now )

Cars today are way over rated and way over done  the new breed of cal looks today are missing the point of what it started out as.In the old Days they carried a rag to Check the oil on there Weber Motor's, now you guys carrie a rag to wipe down your car or wipe the dust off your wheels  In the Old Days We Street Raced and you run what you brung to day its park them in a row and look at them shine.
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                  Signed Sombody"

you have repro torq-thrusts !!!!!!
supply/demand

Shubee, your examples are very vague. Who exactly are the guys who carry a rag to wipe their car and wheels.  ??? No real need for this type of animosity. There is still street racing going on and it is mostly done by V8s and japanese cars, but the laws are strict and the consequences are harsh. I just found out where people meet and then drive to remote locations to race illegally. I will go soon and will let everyone here know how it goes.

Who wants to take bets on how many pages this thread will be? ;D

Shubee, there is nothing wrong with repop wheels. Rare mag wheels are expensive and I am a student/part time worker who cannot afford an 8000 dollar set of wheels. Sure my car might not be cal-look since the parts are not period ::) but my car is fast and it looks good doing it. I am a true, diehard fan of the california look. Relax, dude, we are all friends here.

It is not ment to be an insult at all it just show's that times and taste have changed over the years Please dont take this the wrong way again it is a Change in style from its Original Form

not on a car they are in boxes, got the real deal for my car

I think a "REAL" Cal Look Car should actually run... If you ever finish this stuff you have you have been talking about Shubee lets take a 50 mile drive exceeding the speed limit , pull in the lanes & run it "HEADS UP" I will wipe my car down after I show you my "RESTO CAL"   rear bumper  later  Bill

 guys  ,  cal look is before a whole state of mind, and then that one recreate on our car, maintaining the cal look is very vague, I agree gary that , that was as you  think, but with the wire of time the style evolved/moved, from where the cal look goes from the style aronson to the style bill schwimmer cal look - old school  ;) don't forget cal look has 32 years old  ;D

1. Actually when a reproduction part is made, it takes the price of the original down, not up....

2. I think i'm not the only one to be tired by your speech. You keep bashing "today's" cars, but we all just want too keep cal-look alive. So what's the difference if there's side trim or not, or bumpers or t-bars. Still a clean bug with a big engine and the nose down, that's all you need for a cal-look. Times have changed, even if you wanted really hard, you couldn't do today a car like 30 years ago...

Well Bill For One Thing I am Building Three cars at the same Time a 67 nova,67 VW sedan and a 58 Ragtop As you all know it takes Money to Build a Nice Car  the 58 is my 49th VW I am buliding I dont cut Corners and dont put cheap crap on my cars it will be done when it gets Done, I am in no Hurry I have Nothing to Prove, People that know me and have seen the cars I have had in Person and  know what I can Build as far as Roland Said: Sorry Roland if you have the time and patients  A Cal Look Can Be Duplicated just the way it was 30 years ago with Original 30 year old Parts, Not in to Bumpers Bill I run T Bars "CAL LOOK"

I m with Roland,
having fun is what its about
real brms are cool, but who can afford a set?
this way, only millionairs can have a real cal look
c mon dude, give me a break
all the guys who own repro please get out of the lounge.. your car is no cal look
who will be left here then?

side note: PUI

Thanks for digging up the photos Speedwell. It seems so long ago. I really liked my car with the Caldwell Recaps. I wish I would not have sold them. I remember when the HVW's photos were shot ,we dropped off Dave Mason's car at home and we drove my car to Bakersfield for an event there.It was really a fun time then.  As for Repro Cal , Resto Cal & all the rest of that stuff..I own real BRM's ,I have owned a few sets of them. I bought them when they were cheap & only a handfull of people knew what they were or wanted them. I have also owned & sold most all of the desirable wheels,  wide 5 American's, Gasburners, 4.5 Fuchs ect..If there were no repro parts this would be a very small hobby. Could you image if they did'nt repro any 32' Ford bodies? There would be no Boyd Coddington, So Cal Speed shop Ect.  The Hot Rod industry would'nt exist.  The same is for our industry. While I prefer original parts ,they are not for everybody. I live in an old house filled with old stuff & drive old cars, maybe I am just stuck there ,I don't know ,but all of it makes me comfortable & I am happy with it. If your car has repro wheels or whatever, but it is a cool car & it makes you happy what difference does it make if the wheels are 40yrs old or 2 weeks old? 
  I think some of us need to get past this and just be glad that people all over the world are into this little niche of the automotive hobby and are interested in keeping it alive and helping some of  us to relive our youth with out noticing the material that your wheels are made from.  Enough rambling for now     Bill

No One Is Putting Down REPOPS as I said in my earlier post Times have changed and so has the Look and taste of the cars, you are right without repops there would be a bunch of lowered stockers running around town ;D It is not ment to be an insult at all it just show's that times and taste have changed over the years Please dont take this the wrong way, Again it is a Change in style from its Original Form

Thanks Bill, that is what I believe as well.  We should get past the thing where it is only cool if it is original.  After all it is about the look !

I have never had real wheels because you found them before me at Bug-O-Rama in Phoenix those many years ago.  I had the money and it was reserved for a real set of BRMs, but you got to them before me.  I remember that because Gary had the blue car there along with your car and I was on the ground looking under his car when my wife gave me some grief because Gary was there watching.  You came up with the BRMs about that time and I was sick.  That was the way it went.  I like my phony wheels.  They look good and that is all I need.  They don't crack and they aren't porous.  So they are not real.  Oh well!  Get over it.  It has been a pleasure to know you thanks for what you said!

For me it is more of a social thing.  Cars are cars, and can be replaced.  I like them all.  Road tripping with friends to see people we haven't seen in months or years is part of the attraction.  Eating at Donny B's the day after BOR in '01, with all the cars in the driveway and up and down the street, is one of the coolest days on record.  Didn't think I remembered.





Should should be shirts made. ;D

I thought I would break this up and post a older feature of my new car ;D, which previously was owned by Greg Lane of Der Zoltig Kafers, and originally built by Johnny Salgado in 1992-3, Johnny was then accepted into DKP in 1999. The car has not changed to much, but will be getting a mild makeover in the future, currently no engine, I plan on building a 2276cc w/Ida's hopefully before Bug In in April.  Still rolls on centerlines. But OG BRM's await 8) I would love to hear any old stories or more info on the car, I know Bill was there ;)
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Thanks Luke!

Always loved that black 67. Bill S is the real deal. He will drive his car to a show, and then proceed to lay down some respectable times and drive it home, And he has been doing that for many years. Some people here have way too much time on their hands or little else going on in there lifes to worry about re-popped wheels. Geezz get over it

Bill, are you a little upset.I think you need to go and skate.

Bill lets go hit up Winchester, Big O, and Lakewood  ;D

So that is what happened to that car. I have that issue as well. Cool car!

--louis

  I never made it to Winchester, but I practically lived at Big O, until they put the waterslide in .  I wish I could bend over far enough so I could grab the rail to do a frontside air though.. it sucks getting old.  sorry about the wheels Don. it was one of those moments when the planets aligned.   Bill

That's a bad Mo Fo right there. That car along with Wade Nishimota's 67 are the reason I own 2 black 67s.

 :o.........LOL BILL......YOU EVEN USED A BAD WORD........."RESTO-CAL".......LOL

In the old days, all you could do is to get excited while looking at the items you dreamed about. In the new days, you can get excited while owning those items and playing with them.
Someone can say that getting excited is just getting excited, no matter if you look at the picture in a magazine or play with a real thing. Well, for me, there is a difference. For sure I prefer the latter.
I like "the new days" more  :P

Maybe the problem is, that there is a time in a man's life when he can afford to have things but he cant get excited anymore. Luckily, those times did not come for me yet.

Is that an 1 3/4 Berg header the way it looks out of the box? Or has the flange been relocated?

I agree with Shubee on some points and Bill on others.I think everyone needs to make their own interpetation of cal-look. I like the rule of "form follow function" so the Aronson style is to me "true" cal-look. And for that reason I would never put a bumper on my car. But I have no problem with other people doing it, when you look at history, there were alot of "cal-lookers" back then and they would all look different, maybe some of them had bumper.I think there is more than one answer to this question(and another discussion)...I would love to have real BRM`s on my car but as mention a million times before...the prize. so my question is WHY THE F-U-C-K CAN`T THEY MAKE THE REPRO EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONES!!!I dont care if the can get cracks and that I have to polish them more often etc.....and it cant be that more expensive to put magnesium instead of aluminium in the mold.I would have any problem with the repro wheels if they looked just like the originals and where made of the same material..

just my opinion

I Agree  thanks for the Input"

I am getting REALLY sick of all this - this used to be a Cool Place with cool people with lots of cool ideas - there is no need to argue >:(

This is just my 2 cents but I think that MOST of the cars coming out today are nothing more than freshly restored Bugs with a set of "New" wheels and a Lowered AND narrowed front end - NOT my personal taste but each to there own  ;) :)

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC - Anyone have any more pic's of Hectors car  ???

Some bad tempered posts have been removed, along with replies to these.

ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS, and keep it CLEAN!!

Two simple rules, but seemingly hard follow!!?

This is not .com!

sorry I should have said this IS a cool place  ;) :)

So where's the pic's of Hectors bug ??? ;) :)

now I want to see the picture of the car also... :-)

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looks like he wiped down it really good.

Yes, he did!!!!   :D :D ;D



I'm going to call him tonight and find out what is going on!!!!

Thanks dude - it looks pretty clean to me too  ;) :)

I think this is my new FAVOURITE LOOKER even if it does have BRM's as I normally "hate" them  ;) :)

P.S I wonder what it would look like on fuchs - photoshop anyone  ??? ;) :)

It's a bitching car dude......... Even the 8 track works on that car !!!! 

I had heard it had an 8 track - I have a real nice 8 track thats going in "PROJECT 66" ;) :)

it is an AWSOME ride - as is yours dude  :)

Thanks  ;)!!!

You get in Hector's car and he plays Pink Floyd, The Police, Rolling Stones, Led Zepellin (all 8 tracks) lots of fun...


Project 66  ;) ........... Nice

you should point Hector in the direction of the lounge  ;) :)

I just hope Project 66 match up to your guys rides  ;) :)

He has been out of the loop for some time now.  I will try to get him back !!!!

I'm sure your car will turn out bitching................ I believe the owner makes the car!!!  you are a cool dude and I'm sure the car would look great.

WOW Cheers dude - And your right its the owners that make the cars   ;) :)

Anyway lets get back the topic  :D

He only laughed mildly when I gave him an 8-track from the Village People (found in a trash can)
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I could only imagine his face !!!!   :D :D :D   ;D

 :D :D :D

I have the American Graffitti sound track  ;D ;D ;D

  :o.....:D :D :D :D

sheep's going to feel left out.

Could this be considered a Cal-look 8-track ?
I got it from Darrell Vittone himself !
It was a one-off prototype that never went into production.

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

And also an interior makeover!! ;D

I lived the American Graffitti sound track.  The promo was where were you in '62?  That's when I graduated from high school.  What a great time to be alive...

I know, I have dated myself.  So what!

Finding a foundry in the USA that will cast Mg is extremely difficult today.  I think it has to do with safety regulations.  If you did find a foundry, it would be very expensive.

There is a 3rd repro BRM in existance besides Flat 4 and MWS.  Made in Mexico City, I told those guys to make them out of old engine cases, but it didn't happen.

I have looked into this, I found a foundry to cast the wheels, but your right it ain't cheap. When I win the lottery I will start production.... ::)

old engine cases is a really goog idea!!(perfect in mexico)
but what about outsourcing it to china, I dont know were flat4 get their wheels done, but I would guess china or maybe japan.

Please win the lottery and start production, I will buy them even if their cost 500 dollars more or whatever the prize will be. As long as I dont have to pay 3500++ dollars....and not only BRM`s but all the other magnesium wheels aswell  ::) ;D

I pretend thats when I "graduated" High School  ;) :)

God I love that 8 track - but I do need the second cassette  :(

Slingshot,

Any pics off your car recently??
Always loved that car, together with Bonilla's car, one off the reason I bought a 67.

There isnt much to see yet- it is engine less hiding under a car cover in his garage.
In due time ;)

here's stephan before he had owned ;)

bill's ragtop on volksworld july 94

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Yeah I really love these early nineties cars!  They were an exemple for the restauration of my car back in 1994-1995.  If I ever buy a 1967 beetle, then Hectors car is the reason why.  Allthough we see a lot of beautifull 1967 beetles these days.  Hector's car was the first 1967 that made me see they were so special (especially the US-model).

This black 1967 DKP car was also in source of inspiration when I build up my car...  or perhaps it was a look-a-like with a white steeringwheel of which I can't find a picture right now...

It's the same car, Greg has a white VDM wheel  also.
  As for Johnny Salgado's car, it was a very nice,fast car. It ran 12:60's 1st time out on pump gas, muffler ect. Then he got greedy & raised the compression & did a few other things. It did'nt really go any faster. It just made it more work. When he 1st joined the club he had early Fuchs, I guess he thought it looked too much like Greg B's car so he put the Centerlines on it. He wanted to do some other things so it got sold to Greg Lane and he drove it quite a bit, I remember seeing it all over the place.
   Somebody else has it now?           

I'm the proud owner now. I dragged it to Arizona minus a motor. Plan to build a 2276cc in time for Bug-In, Here are some recent photos.
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It still looks pretty nice... Did you buy it from Greg Lane ?  I don't remember seeing it advertised anywhere.

Thanks, I did buy it from Greg, he kept it in real good shape. The paint is still awesome for being 15 years young. It was  posted on the "other" forum  ;) for sale for about an hour before I called Greg and agreed to buy the car. It was a little nerve racking to buy a car over the Internet. But once I saw it in person I was glad I did, and to boot Greg and family are super cool :)

Dude, that is a bitchen car. (http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif)

Thanks, Cheers! (hey how do I get a beer mug??)

Like this [ img ] http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif [ /img ] but with out the spaces in the "img" brackets.

Thanks, I did buy it from Greg, he kept it in real good shape. The paint is still awesome for being 15 years young. It was  posted on the "other" forum  ;) for sale for about an hour before I called Greg and agreed to buy the car. It was a little nerve racking to buy a car over the Internet. But once I saw it in person I was glad I did, and to boot Greg and family are super cool :)
[/quote]    Cool deal ,it's nice when somebody buys a car and has some respect for it and does'nt beat the daylights out of it like some 16 y.o. girl.

congrats to you on your great purchase at a right price too as i love 67's...especially that one... and almost swept it up away from greg to become my very own as a contingent plan if your deal fell through for whatever reason/an honest and great guy to know in all the years i have known him and his brother as far back as "DZK" days in the 70's...best of luck to you on your score..!!

Yeah Greg told me some funny stories about you, back when you guys were just whipper snappers ;)

Yes, I could definately see myself behind the wheel of that one. Makes me want to build another Bug.

Slingshot, in another post you said something about changing the interior...
Still gonna do it?  if so I would love to have the leftovers from this one as I truelly love it! :o

Nobody mentiones Jim Kaforsky's 63, kinda like that one too in the 90's???

Those were my words! ;) Its not a bad interior, but its all cloth- and I mean ALL cloth. A bit monotone, and drab, IMO. I plan on something similar to the job we did on his single cab- '70s custom but very classy.
It will also recieve a few other changes, but nothing drastic. I promise it will never loose its bad attitude  8)

When the time comes I will keep you in mind ;)

 ;D 8) 

How many cool cars did we see that happen to Bill?  ;)

Look at that golden "dealer" filled back German case. That's a nice looking engine. Bill's car is more famous than the Aronson car by now, and for good reason. It's the baddest VW out there.

Bill's car is more famous than the Aronson car by now, and for good reason. It's the baddest VW out there?  Cant Agree with you there Jim ::)

 The Two Car's are not even Comparable One is a Famous 70's O.G. ;D Cal Look  the Other is a late 80's Cal look two Completely Different Styles"  then the power plants  a 70's Budget 1679 with IDA's  running 13's or a monster 80's Hi Dollar 2276 running in the 12's

Jim was not comparing styles. It was a statement of notariaty.Bill's car has been together as an actual existing car for a vastly longer period than the Aronson car and has received far more press at home and abroad than the Holmes/ Aronson car.

though I am in no mood to debate, John you're thinking exactly what I was thinking and Gary isn't. Bill's car speaks volumes about the legacy of the type of VW's we all love. The Aronson car was the first (?) to define it, but where is it now? And in my opinion, there are bits and pieces I would have changed about the Aronson/Holmes car. Bill's? Leave it as it is.  Anyway, it's my opinion. And Bill can give me $20 next time we meet up  ;D

i found the vw trends report  ;D ;D

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here's vwtrends  report by stephan himself  ;D ;D
nice car stephan   ;)

 ;)

and now another great dkp car for me : henry oelker 66  i remember that car in the first dkp report i saw  ,it was in the super vw n°41  , and the car sitting on a set of gasburner  some one said why henry removed te GB ???

henry  still in the dkp today ???

and now hector b for some afficionados ;D ;D

another report from vw trends with hector 's car, a little bit to low  ::) , and  hector's friend car was cool too she ran on real empi 5(not a dkp car) and hector wasn't in the club in 88 , i know the  club doesn't exist in  88 ;D ;D ;D

just read the last paraghraph of the article...  ;)

these cars are classic.

where is the 67 from ben salazar ?? one of my favorite's
i only have this picture of it...

hanz here's some pther pict found onthe web  ;D

 ;) that car isn't my favorite  ::)
another blue car without wiper :) :) :)

Hi Hans,here 2 pictures I found:

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1426/brm21kl3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4535/indexwb8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I took that last picture at the classic two years ago. Ben Salazar's 67 is one of my favorites. The dark blue engine tin is a perfect choice. It is so nice to see something different. I love the interior as well; dark blue vinyl with lighter blue cloth inserts. One piece windows, brms and tach on the dash. Beauty!

it will be better without chrome trim , with lucas turn signal  ;)

Rode with Ben a couple years ago from Irwindale after the first drag day.  Cruising down the freeways, after him making passes down the strip. was very cool.

That is an awsome paragraph - I think it just about sums it all up really  :)

And I found another 2 pictures.

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5568/0301vwtdynoday01azoomtp1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9177/0301vwt07zoomvolkswagenkr4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

ah the VWtrends dyno day (first one if i am correct) that was a great idea. bring your cars to the same dyno and have fun!

to be honest I am one off the few over here who does like some chrome on it..... ;D 

and thanks for all those pic's as i said one off my favorite's, maybe some one has an interior picture.

Forget the VW's, thats the McMullen deuce roadster!  :o  ;D

Zach I would bet that is a replica not the original.  I'm not sure that is the 1st Dyno Day either.  I was there for that an I would have remembered that Duece, believe me!

You're right, it could be. Hard to tell from that picture. Its still cool though  8)

It's the replica roadster. If I was standing next to the real one ,I would'nt have been paying much attetion to the VW's either...

The original McMullen roadster belongs to Jose Zaragoza of El Paso.

here's a line up of the club in the early 90's at the vw jamboree
note the berglar at the rear

Was Garry Berg also a DKP member? ???

I was at that show that day first time I saw real Cal Look stuff. Had a huge influence on me. Mainly Berglar.
Talked to a nice guy with the "other" black sedan w/ BRMs, Brody Hoyt.

DKP ARE MY FAVORYTE OF CALIFAS.....GREAT PICTURES FROM EVERYONE..... ;D

for me too

Nope!!!

Were you there Shubee? did you even own a VW when those photos were taken? that was at the beginning of reforming the club, we were all friends and hung out.Some people had stickers and some did'nt, but we were all part of the same group.Gary B always showed up to whatever was going on, I don't know if he considered himself a member or not. Maybe you should ask him instead of answering something that you have no knowledge of.

is there someone who had a picture of brody hoyt  black sedan ??

...if I had a scanner....

What Bill said!

Judging by all the Chrome and Full Bumpers in that Picture I Might not have had a VW at that time ;D You Should ask him instead of telling people he was a Club Member?? so dose that mean anyone hanging around the club is a Member?  I talk to Gary Quite often I will ask him next time I talk to him, Was Keith Goss in the club? or did he just get stickers for the Photo Shoots??  ;D

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Another great post by Shubee.
 

It's interesting how alot of Shubee's cal look cars had bumpers and chrome. Or were those photos of other peoples that you just said were yours. I notice you tend to do things like that. Maybe you should take the credit for the genesis of the resto cal style. And by the way, that engine you talked about in another thread that runs so great, maybe you can show us pictures of it installed in an actual car that you own....Maybe even a shot with you driving it...

My post did'nt say that Gary was a member, it was directed at you commenting on things you don't know about...LOL,LMAO,WTF,BFF

Well out of 49 VW's I have owned The Only Ones that you are refering to are the Blue 56 Oval,the Red 57 Oval,which I left the Chrome on, My 67 Convert, which I bought that way and my 69 Ghia Because Ghia's look better with chrome, they all had chrome moldings and had  euro German Bumpers The Blue Oval was built on a Budget in 1976 was also in Hot VW's and is now in Japan,The Red Oval was built in 1978 Went to Japan, 69 Squareback built in 1981 Went to Japan, 69 Ghia was Sold And new Owner Totaled it,67 Convert was Sold three Times to Different owners was in Hot VW's and is still Driving around Huntington Beach, Ok you Win Theres (5) Cars I have Owned with Chrome moldings in the 38 years I have been in to VW's That Leave's 44 OLD School Cal Looks All With 70's Style NO CHROME with T Bars or Buggy Bumpers.  And If The Body Was On The Pan on my Car I Would Put The Motor in And Show you that it dose Drive Like I Have Said In The Past I Have Nothing to Prove to anyone I was most likely Driving a Cal Look before you were Born" ;D

With that said, perhaps you guys should continue theese kinds of discussion, in a friendly manner offcourse, under a new topic in the offtopic section :-)
Lets stick to the topic gents..

Thank you

Shubee,

I'll let Robert Hunter's words of wisdom speak for me.....

"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack... if you've got nothing new to say."

Jim Ratto

Couldn't have put it better myself dude - we don't want this turning into CLF ;) :)

Oh yeah back to the topic - Hectors car is still one of my FAVOURITES ;D ;D ;D

new pict , sorry but the pict was cut in the middle  ::)

greg brinton  67 sorry my friend but one OF  my favorite  8)

more details  8)

 :o dave flying mason  ;D ;D

 ;)

 ;D

hector b & art cars  8)

bill 59 & danny g 58 & lenny 59 convert

no one have a picture from jim kurlinsky car with the dds rims ???

more, more , more   :o several were took  by steph s  ;)

  8)
2  awesome 66 : darrel B & henry O

another great cal look  8)

may be one we never talk about his car
gulf blue 63 sedan jim kaforski (der transaxle shop)

This is the car that made me want gas burners. There is a pic of his car in the HVW Engine book as part of the article for the build up of his car. Such a cool car.

--louis

and john "led zeppelin" rayburn  ;D ;D

 ;)

 ;D

"and john "led zeppelin" rayburn   "

The John Remains The Same.  8)

i forgot  zavala jr  ;D ;D ;D ;D
sorry jim  would i become like sheep  ;D ;D ;D
fabs

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go lick a sump fabs!!!


 ;D ;D ;D

Where's the love, Jim??  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D I couldn't resist Jim  :D...... ;)
did you receive my second mail ???

I think I did, fabs....I sent you one back. Maybe your email is too full of VW pictures to get any more mail?  ;D


RZ Jr.  :-*

fabs, no pics of El Matador's car?  ;D

Carlos DeAlabama's red '67 (the one with those funny wheels)  ;D

 :D :D :D

no more vw pcitures jim  ::)
i receive 2 and sent 2 i answer you abou the return fly   ;)

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oh
THAT one.

I found it.  :-*

jim's got a hard time getting through his email today  ;) ;D

ok here we go  ;D ;D oups sorry you said car :o

 ;D ;D ;D

it looks twice as good with the funny wheels  ;D

That car on Americans kicks ass.

--louis

I said it before and I'll say it again - THAT STANCE IS PERFECT

 :D :D :D :D .........

El Matador    :D :D

Thanks Monkiboy...........I'll be sending you a pm !!!!

I love the wheels but it is a bitch to keep them clean..............   :'(

pictures bring back memories of my partner!!!!    :-* :-* :-*

 :D :D :D

Really? I would think you'd be used to being down on your knees?

 :o :o  :D :D :D .....Sheep style!!! 

What the hell does that mean ;D

That's the car that made everyone want gas burners.

Jim Kaforski's car is one of my all time favorites. Whos car is next to dave kanase's beetle in the dkp group picture?

Thanks for the pictures Speedwell, you made my day!!!

The bright green to the right?

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,3419.msg50529.html#msg50529 (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,3419.msg50529.html#msg50529)

It's been on here somewhere some time ago, but i can't remember right now.

Anybody notice the pics of Greg's '67 are from way back? His motor has conventionall VW-head 48 manifolds. Must have been back when he had the 1914.....LONG time ago. Cool pics.

you 're right jim 1914cc
here's the specificities of this one (written on the mag)
69mm counterweighted crank ,balanced vw rods vw D/P headsq wich 40x 37.5 stainless steel valves and dual springs , CR 8.5:1, bosh 010 ignition , berg 26 mm oil pump ,&holley fuel pump , 48 ida , tayco linkage ,1 5/8 turbo muffler exhaust system
gearbox ratio
3.78 (1)
2.06 (2)
1.58 (3)
1.21 (4)
0.89 (5)
  ;)

I think he ran FK-7 cam too

Very Nice Car, Carlos...  ;);D ;D

Thanxs for the pictures Fabs... ;)

Frank

whats the hang up on repo stuff, the stuff is made better now  by companys that make wheels for all the jap manufactures. plus look at all the people that can enjoy this hobby.

                                                                Well said , Danny.

just found in an old super vw mag a picture of art 's 67  before he was in dkp , the pict was taken at vw spring jamboree 92 , pict by steph banzai  ;)

love all the cars..keep the pics coming....except for bills....jk ;D

the only thing it needs is a 4" motor in it....unless thats not cal look...

tim

Who the hell owns this car ???  It looks vaguely familiar ::) ;D

Not another green 67.. :D

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Who the hell owns this car ???  It looks vaguely familiar ::) ;D
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Hey Sarge how'd you get a hold of my daily driver?

epic picture  8) 8)

another montage

Now thats Cal Look ;D

Forget the original vs repop argument... How gives a *&@& ?!
Originals took a lot of work to own in the late eighties, before the internet - I know from experience. When Flat 4 came out with repops they not only did the best job they could at the time - they also opened the door to all those who craved the 'Look on a sensible budget.
Today real BRMs are joke money - but are still the ultimate wheel - and those who don't like the look of them are welcome to fit something else - no one cares.
Anyway - that aside - lets look at the new wave 'Old School' for a minute...
Without Bill Schwimmer, Hector Bonilla, John Rayburn, Dave Mason, Danny Gabbard to name but a few of the people responsible for not only re-igniting the flame but staying true and fanning the fire; Trends, Hot VWs, Super VWs and, obvioulsy,  VolksWorld (as during the mid 90's we made damn sure we highlighted what was happening!) the passion you have today would probably be focussed in a totally different direction. Also, let's not forget Keith Seume's book which you refer to as 'the bible' as another key factor.
Thanks to all this we have this forum. An amazing place - a place to share a passion for the most popular form of VW modification of all time.
Also take into account the fact so many people have come back to the hobby lately; this proves The California Look is not something which you can shake off - We're all into VWs, but The California Look is what makes our hearts beat faster! Having the sound of a hot dual carb engine behind you and the experience of pulling away from a standing start and banging into second only to find it's time to shift up and over to the right for third is the most addictive feeling I've ever had - but perhaps that's because I don't like the idea of Crystal Meth or Heroin!
And the comment Bill made about driving Cal Look cars is 100% right - you can't beat it! Driving all the way to Belgium in my '67 twice for EBI and back is what it's all about. That and taking on anything that the owner thinks is fast - especially if he's got a high maintenance girlfriend in the passenger seat!
So, join me in saying thanks to Bill, Hector (who is still with us - but looking after his father), Jim, John, Dave and all those who revived The California Look and laid the foundations for what we have today.
Respect! 
 

Now that is a great post!  I wholeheartedly concur!

I can assure you when I sold a one-owner from new '68 Fastback in A-1 condition to fund the two BRMs I needed to make up a set of four in 1989 - I could not have been more excited. Since then I have owned 10 original BRMs - cherry picking the best of them to end up with the wheels I have today. For many years they have been the only wheels I have had on my '67. Every time I look at them I am both feel excited and more to the point, privileged. However, and don't shoot me down for this...
I am looking forward to getting the new, revised Flat 4 BRMs so I can drive my '67 like I really want to and be able to park it without being worried that when I return someone hasn't ruined my life by stealing my wheels.
Sadly, it's go to the stage where originals are such a commodity that running them is nearly as worrying as letting a blind lesbian loose in a fish market! Donny B - don't you worry running alloy BRMs is the way of the 'thinking man', I hope to join you soon*.


* And my real ones will still excite me every time I look at them - but they'll be in the safety of my home. Well, except when I feel the need to run with the wolves!

Oh, and whilst I am on the subject of 'Old School' California Look - and getting excited, I still remember how I long I spent drooling over Gary Berg's '67 when it was at VW Classic under a blue E-Z-Up in about 1990. It stopped me in my tracks and it was like I;d been sucked into a tractor-beam. Sure there were elements that didn't float my boat, but overall it an education. The input the Bergs have put into our hobby can't be disputed.
That said I have no problem saying that my favourite Cal Look car EVER is Art's '67. I know it'll sound crazy - but I think I was more upset than even he was when he rolled it.
If there was a Top 1 all time Cal look car - for me that's it.   

Thanks Ivan,
  This hobby has done so much for me, making friends for a lifetime, opening doors & taking me places I would have never dreamed of. It has been an awesome ride.  What we were doing in the late 80's early 90's was total counter culture @ the time in the VW scene, but the people that were into it kind of found each other & made this cool underground society. Without the journalists & publications reporting on what was happening @ that time I think the VW industry would be much different than it is today.  I thank you Ivan, Keith, Stephan, Dean K. Eric Geisert & many others who brought what was happening to the surface. 
  Thanks again  Bill

 BTW  I agree about Art's car , it is my favorite, it's even better after the crash. Bitchenest Cal Look car ever built...

 

Oh, and whilst I am on the subject of 'Old School' California Look - and getting excited, I still remember how I long I spent drooling over Gary Berg's '67 when it was at VW Classic under a blue E-Z-Up in about 1990. It stopped me in my tracks and it was like I;d been sucked into a tractor-beam. Sure there were elements that didn't float my boat, but overall it an education. The input the Bergs have put into our hobby can't be disputed.
That said I have no problem saying that my favourite Cal Look car EVER is Art's '67. I know it'll sound crazy - but I think I was more upset than even he was when he rolled it.
If there was a Top 1 all time Cal look car - for me that's it.   
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 Thanks for the complements guy's. I'm truly bless to have good people surrounding me with the true meaningful Cal look point of views, bad ass cars ..especially DKP in full honors, Bill, Keith, Dean, Stephan all the Cal-Look Forum members for keep in things alive

I also was influence 1st. Generation  Gary's Berg Bomb/Bad Co car..

BTW: Ivan next time we see each, you get a free pass...present this ticket at the window.. ;)

Regards,
Art

Sigh, I always talk up your car and I never got a free pass.... :'(

 :D ;) :P

I figured once you gone over to that hair blower thing, you will never go back to your roots... ;) :D ;D

Art, the first time I saw your car I was like that is it. I always wanted to have a car like that.Maybe some day.Like Bill said about the 80's and 90's is so true.

Page of the week, guys.  Great stuff.

Thanks Ivan! I appreciate it!

Awesome post Ivan!

I'm one of the "old guys" that got back in to the scene... sold my last looker back around '79.

With the urging of a very close friend... one whom we worked on many projects together... one who has  managed to hang on to his Cal-Look VW for 30+ years by now... I am now building the car I wish I had when I was young.
The DKP cars mentioned are and have been my inspiration for years... but it's been said before, what makes this hobby / community so cool is the people! Every DKP member I've had the pleasure of hanging out with have left me with a very positive, good feeling about the hobby. As far as the Lounge, I feel I've made friends all over the world... people I'd go out of my way for because I know they would do the same.

Oh yeah, the "close friend" who urged me back? That would be John Rayburn... (you can blame him since he invited me to the Lounge too ;D)

Thanks John ;)

~Dave

Thanks Dave! Here's a little story for you all. Dave used to work on my brother's EMPI demonstrator, most of you know my stories with that car. The day I turned 16, I was at the DMV to get my license when the doors opened. I also had an appointment that morning with Dave Rosique at H&H Motors. I left DMV and drove straight to H&H and handed my '64 over to Dave and walked to my girlfriend's house about a block from there. Dave lowered my front end, put a set of 135's on the front which he had set aside for me months earlier. Installed my Hurst shifter, and my rear Koni's, which are still on the car to this day, gave it a major tune up, adjusted the brakes and clutch, changed the oil and gear oil, and my parents have hardly seen me since. I'm glad you're back into this scene, Dave! Don't ever leave!

That offer is one I will make sure to take you up on! Thanks.

It's only the truth John. Also, as the subject of the hobby looks back at and relies on its history so heavily - it's nice to think you played a part in an important chapter. So, thank you John - we appreciate it!

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I would also have to agree on Art's Car. In my top #3 list for cal-lookers. Got to see that car numerous times at Sac Bug-o-rama as well as the classic.

Thanks for the Montage Fabs!

thx guys  ;)

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