How much money to run 10s in a street car?now with part2, The evolution to turbo

[richie]

Looks like you got yourself a lot of work. Curious on how you are going to make it go straight.I reckon you rely on the vw basic set up uprated with some good shocks?

Michael

That is something I didnt have a problem with,with the cab I used mildly uprated torsion bars& urethane bushings in the back with koni shocks,and comp engineering front shocks,drop spindles and adjusters with phoenix 6w slicks.
A CSP trapeze bar and berg traction bar with intermidiate gearbox mount with the other mods as the cage didnt go to the frame forks.

Using the nitrous controller to soften the hit off the line and bring it in progressively as I went up the track really helped,getting that right is another trick that only track time will reveal
 

cheers richie

[richie]

Richie, my final drive is 4.12 and my 4th gear is a but of a mystery as Pete couldn't recall what he fitted. I asked for a 1.21 but I'm not sure it's that close. Doesn't feel that close and I have run 1.58 / 1.21 / 4.12 previously.

My tyres are MH DOT's 215 / 60

Cheers

Shane.

Wow thats short,if it has that 4th in it then it tops out at 111mph@7000rpm,what rpm do you turn? I would be running a 3.88 with that at least

Pretty sure cross the line around 6500 - will try and observe this weekend up the pod. If your going let me know and bring the scales 

Cheers Shane.

Will do,only thing i am not sure of there is the tyre diameter,its listed as 26 tall but I thought it was taller than that,if its 26" then it looks like 1.21 with 4.12 is to short for 11s unless you turn some real high rpm which isnt needed with an engine that size

[dannyboy]

Can rain stop please need to prove calculator wrong lol:-)

[richie]

Can rain stop please need to prove calculator wrong lol:-)

you have more chance turning it upside down and using a paddle looking at the pod webcam,my day wont be wasted though as we are off to look at the 1st potential project car


cheers richie

[Shane Noone]

Richie, my final drive is 4.12 and my 4th gear is a but of a mystery as Pete couldn't recall what he fitted. I asked for a 1.21 but I'm not sure it's that close. Doesn't feel that close and I have run 1.58 / 1.21 / 4.12 previously.

My tyres are MH DOT's 215 / 60

Cheers

Shane.

Wow thats short,if it has that 4th in it then it tops out at 111mph@7000rpm,what rpm do you turn? I would be running a 3.88 with that at least

Pretty sure cross the line around 6500 - will try and observe this weekend up the pod. If your going let me know and bring the scales 

Cheers Shane.

Will do,only thing i am not sure of there is the tyre diameter,its listed as 26 tall but I thought it was taller than that,if its 26" then it looks like 1.21 with 4.12 is to short for 11s unless you turn some real high rpm which isnt needed with an engine that size

That's interesting feedback on the ratios, The reason I went 4.12 is for potentially quicker launch in a heavy car. I had a 1.21 4th with a 3.88 R+P in my factory 80's mexibug and it always seemed slower to launch and no I couldn't even get a 1.8 60ft !!

Due to inclement weather today, I'll be at pod tomorrow from 8am and we can check tyre diameter on he DOT's.....

Hope the project car you view today works out, if not how about a nice 57 oval with Cotsweld cage  I know a fair bloke that has one he might part with 

[richie]

We have a donor   it is a little rough in places,needs a heater channel outer on one side at least and a couple of bumper mounts,I will proberly put a whole channel in as i am sure there more rust hidden underneath,the doors have suffered from sitting outside for so long unused but hopefully therer are to many hidden horrors as it hasnt had years of being "fixed' by welding plate over plate.
It is a 6v 1500 so should have some usefull pieces to sell off as well,and came with a new pair of disc drop spindles soem something else i dont need to buy

[Neil Davies]

Nice find Richie. How complete was it? How about splitting the thread now so that you've got a build diary with costings in the In Da Werks section and the discussion here?

[Lids]

Price?

[tikimadness]

shoulg I bring my welding helmet?

Michael

[leec]

Nice base car there. Hope you are not going to paint it (saves money and weight!!)

I'm more and more interested in this nitrous stuff every time I view this thread. I'd be interested in a complete break down of everything required to run a bit of gas.

Is it easier with efi over IDA's?

Lee

[Erlend / bug66]

Euro '67 1500!

Nice catch

I've got the same, and it looks to be the same colour also!

Are you going with repro wings (lighter) ?

[dannyboy]

11.04 so far 

[leec]

11.04 so far 

Well done Danny. What's the mph?

Lee

[Andy Sykes]

 And a 11.38 with the handbrake on 

[Fasterbrit]

11.04 so far 

Keep going matey... Nearly there good work!

[dannyboy]

11.04 so far 

Well done Danny. What's the mph?

Lee

11.04@121.44mph running 50rwhp of nitrous im pretty sur eit will run a 10.99 with this setup as the 60 ft wasnt the best ive done 1.52
as for fitting nitrous to carbs its fairly easy 4 foggers in manifolds i use a controller to bring it in the kit i had cost about 550 quid with a full bottle of gas a cheap way of getting faster 

[richie]

11.04 so far 

We were there watching ,it looked a really good pass,then next we saw it looked like it bogged 11.20 somthing? then 11.09@119 I think,was a bit of headwind by then

Jo got a couple of good pics of you and one of the timing lights with you on the 11.04 pass

Does your kit use individual jets at the nozzles or single jet at the solenoids?

cheers richie

[richie]

Nice find Richie. How complete was it? How about splitting the thread now so that you've got a build diary with costings in the In Da Werks section and the discussion here?

All there,some of it is just rubbish or to rusty to use though,not sure how I going to do the thread yet,there enough welding rusty VW threads already in the werks

Will pull the engine,put it on the run stand and check it out,if its good sell it on,would be perfect for a bus or similar with the 6v flywheel still,same with the gearbox,anything i dont need I will try to sell to get some money back on 

[richie]

Price?

1200pounds

cheers richie

[richie]

shoulg I bring my welding helmet?

Michael

Yes,you will be busy

[richie]

Nice base car there. Hope you are not going to paint it (saves money and weight!!)

I'm more and more interested in this nitrous stuff every time I view this thread. I'd be interested in a complete break down of everything required to run a bit of gas.

Is it easier with efi over IDA's?

Lee

I will proberly just do a sympathetic touch up in places,particularly were I do any repairs

I will show what I am using for the nitrous stuff as we get to it,last tiem i was on the limit of the fuel system so need to do my homework 1st to see what i need,but Danny has given a good example in his reply

The N/A fuelling shouldnt make any difference if it is set up correctly beforehand

[dannyboy]

11.04 so far 

We were there watching ,it looked a really good pass,then next we saw it looked like it bogged 11.20 somthing? then 11.09@119 I think,was a bit of headwind by then

Jo got a couple of good pics of you and one of the timing lights with you on the 11.04 pass

Does your kit use individual jets at the nozzles or single jet at the solenoids?

cheers richie

one jet where single lines go into splitters  i was all nervous on the 11.2 as i was worried that the bollinger wouldnt be chilled enough to celebrate my first 10  

[richie]

Euro '67 1500!

Nice catch

I've got the same, and it looks to be the same colour also!

Are you going with repro wings (lighter) ?

I will replace the wings,the rears are junk and the front seem to be good genuine vw,if they are then I will sell them as I will lose the indicators from the top,and the horn grill holes so might as well use a repro or fiberglasas wing
They come in this gel coat blue for now

Met up with Rob from East coast manx today and collected the 1st pair of rear wings he has made form his new mold to use on this,he will be doing fronts as well soon,then 68 on as well when he has time

[richie]

one jet where single lines go into splitters  i was all nervous on the 11.2 as i was worried that the bollinger wouldnt be chilled enough to celebrate my first 10  

Knob

[Fasterbrit]

I still reckon the turbo route would be cheaper in the long run. I'd love to see a cheapo turbo engine run the number without breaking the bank. But, there's still kudos in doing it with n2o. I am just a little biased

Richie, are you going to keep a tab on every single purchase?

[tonybone]

Danny, nice few runs today,, well done on that 11.04. Car sounds real strong. 
That 10 is well within reach now..

Tony ( Thailand)

[richie]

I still reckon the turbo route would be cheaper in the long run. I'd love to see a cheapo turbo engine run the number without breaking the bank. But, there's still kudos in doing it with n2o. I am just a little biased

Richie, are you going to keep a tab on every single purchase?

Turbo is easy,we did that already with a cheapy t4,scrapyard injectors,copper pipe fuel rails with penneys soldered in them as end caps,200 pound header,audi tt intercooler,and chrome ex tailpipes as intake runners
10.53 was the best with the type 1 gearbox before it started spitting them out for fun


My plan at the moment is to just keep a total on the thread ,rather than every nut bolt and washer etc,but will do a file with everything noted on it so I know where it all went

cheers richie

[dannyboy]

Euro '67 1500!

Nice catch

I've got the same, and it looks to be the same colour also!

Are you going with repro wings (lighter) ?

I will replace the wings,the rears are junk and the front seem to be good genuine vw,if they are then I will sell them as I will lose the indicators from the top,and the horn grill holes so might as well use a repro or fiberglasas wing
They come in this gel coat blue for now

Met up with Rob from East coast manx today and collected the 1st pair of rear wings he has made form his new mold to use on this,he will be doing fronts as well soon,then 68 on as well when he has time

i have a full set of gasser wings here you can have cheap

[richie]

Didnt we pay for them already? 

[Berger]

Nice car
Covert it to IRS or run swingaxle?