How much money to run 10s in a street car?now with part2, The evolution to turbo

[richie]

Thanks Henk,

I have mailed him to find out offset etc

cheers richie

[Berger]

I am also considering the fiberglass low back buckets and then add a headrest/support to cage

That is the scariest thing I see, a head rest integrated to the seat will always follow the seat/your body in an accident. A cage headrest will not... it will stay stationary while you move about.  I know seats aren't supposed to come loose... but safety is about IF.
Just a personal observation.

That is a good point Jon,and something I hadnt considered,I had planned a steel backbone to the fiber seat but not considered the "what if"    

Highback it is then


Danny I will take a look,not so keen on the plastic seats as I worry they could tear where they are bolted through in an accident

 
cheers richie

I`m using this seat in Rabalder. Not very fancy or cool, but it has a steel frame, FIA approved, ok comfort, good support and cheap 1700,- NOK.

[richie]

I`m using this seat in Rabalder. Not very fancy or cool, but it has a steel frame, FIA approved, ok comfort, good support and cheap 1700,- NOK.

Will your car be ready for SCC so I can see how comfortable it will be? 

What does it weigh?

cheers richie

[Berger]

I`m using this seat in Rabalder. Not very fancy or cool, but it has a steel frame, FIA approved, ok comfort, good support and cheap 1700,- NOK.

Will your car be ready for SCC so I can see how comfortable it will be?  

What does it weigh?

cheers richie

No, I have given up on getting Rabalder done to SCC   Just not enough time and energy to do it...
But the seat is in my Ghia now, which is my "Plan B" for racing at SCC, so you will be able to test it
Don`t know the weight, sorry.

Berger

[richie]

I think I have given up trying to get my 10sec street car ready for SCC as well   better try to get the cabrio done instead   will take a look at the seat then


cheers richie

[old dub lover]

I know earlier you said you would run a 2276cc motor is there a particular reason for not going bigger?


thanks

[volkskris]

I know earlier you said you would run a 2276cc motor is there a particular reason for not going bigger?


thanks

I think cost & strenght. with the shot of nos richie is planning, there is no need of a bigger engine I think

[old dub lover]

ok i just wondered if there was a reason for it

i didnt know if you could go bigger and use a smaller shot of gas?

thanks

[richie]

I know earlier you said you would run a 2276cc motor is there a particular reason for not going bigger?


thanks

I think cost & strenght. with the shot of nos richie is planning, there is no need of a bigger engine I think

Thats pretty much it,last time it was a 2332 with a vw rod journal crank,so I wanted to do something different so it will be 82 stroke with chevy journals,strength should be about the same,and a 2276 will give me enough power on the road and there should be less case clearancing needed,finally i got a good deal on the 82 stroke crank

You could go bigger say to a 2387 but it wont gain much really and the wider motor needs longer pushrods,is more difficult to fit in the engine bay with the efi if the injectors7 fuel rail end up on the outside as they did before,lastly one of the objects of doing this is to show what others can do and I see lots more 2276's than 2387 etc


cheers richie

[Wunder Wim]

I was just reading the Hot VW's All about perfomance engines #3.
They were building a nitro fed 2332cc. As I read it correctly, RLR sells of the shelve Nitro kits with all the necessary lines, nozzles, solenoids, bottle,... They come in kit that produce an additional 40, 60, 80 and even 100 hp.
Maybe these kits are a good starting point.

[old dub lover]

I know earlier you said you would run a 2276cc motor is there a particular reason for not going bigger?


thanks

I think cost & strenght. with the shot of nos richie is planning, there is no need of a bigger engine I think

Thats pretty much it,last time it was a 2332 with a vw rod journal crank,so I wanted to do something different so it will be 82 stroke with chevy journals,strength should be about the same,and a 2276 will give me enough power on the road and there should be less case clearancing needed,finally i got a good deal on the 82 stroke crank

You could go bigger say to a 2387 but it wont gain much really and the wider motor needs longer pushrods,is more difficult to fit in the engine bay with the efi if the injectors7 fuel rail end up on the outside as they did before,lastly one of the objects of doing this is to show what others can do and I see lots more 2276's than 2387 etc


cheers richie

that makes sense

[Fonz]

So I have been rummaging around through old shite in boxes,so far I have found the old header,the intake manifolds[heads are long gone] the cam[was swapped out when I went turbo] and I still have the nitrous set up,but want to do it with whats available now so proberly wont use it

Fonz can I have my gearbox and throttle bodies back? 

Frank I need those axles and cvs as well? 

Kev you dont need that crank/flywheel and rods for a while do you?

I do actually still know were alot of it is but that would defeat the object of this if I do it.


Mmmm a wet miserable rainy day isnt good for the bank account

cheers richie

Have only just seen this thread.

Even before I got down to this post I was going to saydo you want to borrow your old gearbox and Jenveys. 

Hell.... why not just take the Ghia and see if you can run 10's! 

[Fonz]

Nice find on the car btw. What month was it built?

[richie]

So I have been rummaging around through old shite in boxes,so far I have found the old header,the intake manifolds[heads are long gone] the cam[was swapped out when I went turbo] and I still have the nitrous set up,but want to do it with whats available now so proberly wont use it

Fonz can I have my gearbox and throttle bodies back? 

Frank I need those axles and cvs as well? 

Kev you dont need that crank/flywheel and rods for a while do you?

I do actually still know were alot of it is but that would defeat the object of this if I do it.


Mmmm a wet miserable rainy day isnt good for the bank account

cheers richie

Have only just seen this thread.

Even before I got down to this post I was going to saydo you want to borrow your old gearbox and Jenveys. 

Hell.... why not just take the Ghia and see if you can run 10's! 

Cause its to low  


Can I just buy the box and throttle bodies off you for a pound each? then sell them back after I have finished with them

[richie]

Nice find on the car btw. What month was it built?

I havent checked ,havent picked it up yet

cheers richie

[Fonz]

Cause its to low  


Can I just buy the box and throttle bodies off you for a pound each? then sell them back after I have finished with them

That's just because I'm short. 

Hey, you can even have the DTA if I get it all back with a wiring loom.    Though isn't that defeating the point of the excersise?

[Fonz]

Face it though, the real reason you want the Jenveys back is because they look 10 times better now. 

[richie]

Face it though, the real reason you want the Jenveys back is because they look 10 times better now. 

I was hoping in the 10 years that passed since I last used them that they would have gained some patina by now?    tart

[Fonz]

Paint is a wonderfull thing for preventing oxidation. 

What's with all this patina talk anyway? Sounds like you hung out with Bobby too long! 

[WhiteTrash]

Cool idea Richie! Lots of cred to you if you go all the way to the goal with this tread

This is my estimate, based on the Norwegian marked:

A solid 1302 71/72, stripped as much as possible, 30000,-NOK / 4000EUR
Good Used bus trans 002/091 5000,- NOK / 666EUR
Engine
Big bore oxy boxer, FK89, used Superflow heads, high comp (>13:1), E85, IDA 48, 50 000,- NOK / 6666 EUR
Wheels 10 000,- NOK /1333EUR
Div stuff 15 000,- NOK/2000EUR

Sum estimate 110 000,- NOK / 14665EUR

Of course, with this setup, you get only one race, as there is no safety added, and you will get disqualified after the first run
So maybe add safety for 10000,- NOK /1333EUR

Keep us updated

Berger

I’ve just started reading this thread from the start and have to say your estimate is not bad, maybe a bit more.

I’ve not kept an exact spreadsheet but know quite well what my car owes me.
I bought the ’67 in 2007 and have so far spend roughly £16k on it.
Okay, the car is not in the 10s and I’m hoping for 11s with my new motor, that is if the rain ever stops and I can actually go to the track to try it without getting hypothermia or webbed feet.

£16k in my case includes buying
-   a solid, running (almost stock) car
-   a chrome moly cage including final TIG welding and other safety gear, i.e. Kirkey seat, seat belt, race suit, boots, gloves etc to comply with MSA regs
-   wheels and slicks
-   Cogbox build 091 gearbox
-   IRS conversion including axles, swing arms and chassis brackets
-   Everything for my 2387cc N/A 48IDA motor including wedgemated Scat crank, rods, Wisecos, Comp Eliminators etc

Also included in the 16k is a full respray with blasting the shell & pan (then having to pay a bodyshop to get the destroyed doors reskinned) and other pretty things like new rubber seals everywhere and aluminium door panels, which could be argued are not really needed, but we all like an astatically pleasing car.

The car, race ready with me weighs about 1830lbs or 830kg, so I (or the car) could either lose some weight or the money for the respray and pretty things could be used to buy and set up a NOS system.

I’ve always sold things not needed to pay for parts and have bought some items used but only if I know they work. Also a lot came in the back of vans etc directly from the States when the exchange rate was nearly 2 dollars to one pound which helped.

Frank

[WhiteTrash]

Frank I need those axles and cvs as well? 

cheers richie

Tough luck

[richie]

Frank I need those axles and cvs as well? 

cheers richie

Tough luck

Didnt i just loan them to you until I needed them next?     

Shiny paint is for girls nails

[WhiteTrash]

We have a donor   it is a little rough in places,needs a heater channel outer on one side at least and a couple of bumper mounts,I will proberly put a whole channel in as i am sure there more rust hidden underneath,the doors have suffered from sitting outside for so long unused but hopefully therer are to many hidden horrors as it hasnt had years of being "fixed' by welding plate over plate.
It is a 6v 1500 so should have some usefull pieces to sell off as well,and came with a new pair of disc drop spindles soem something else i dont need to buy

Nice Lotus white 67, finally you got a car in the right colour (again)....and when you had enough of it I'll have it off you

[richie]

We have a donor   it is a little rough in places,needs a heater channel outer on one side at least and a couple of bumper mounts,I will proberly put a whole channel in as i am sure there more rust hidden underneath,the doors have suffered from sitting outside for so long unused but hopefully therer are to many hidden horrors as it hasnt had years of being "fixed' by welding plate over plate.
It is a 6v 1500 so should have some usefull pieces to sell off as well,and came with a new pair of disc drop spindles soem something else i dont need to buy

Nice Lotus white 67, finally you got a car in the right colour (again)....and when you had enough of it I'll have it off you

Well guess what,it will look even more like your 67


been busy doing other projects so not much happened this week,but did pick up some wheels thanks to people on here pointing me in the direction of them,so unless I can find 6 real gasburners for under 300pounds
 then I will be running these on the road and a pair of ercos for the slicks

Frank do they look familiar?

cheers richie

[Neil Davies]

Cool, you got them then! They do look good detailed in black like a Cosmic, but I also like them as they are - should look good with the white paint on the car.

[Rocket Ron]

something like this 

[richie]

Cool, you got them then! They do look good detailed in black like a Cosmic, but I also like them as they are - should look good with the white paint on the car.

Thanks for the link

I dont see any detailing in my plans anytime soon,Frank has detailed his now and they look 10 times better though I was thinking straight black,more subtle

cheers richie

[Neil Davies]

My spare pair are stright black, and they do look good. I'll get a pic at some point!

[WhiteTrash]

Well guess what,it will look even more like your 67


been busy doing other projects so not much happened this week,but did pick up some wheels thanks to people on here pointing me in the direction of them,so unless I can find 6 real gasburners for under 300pounds
 then I will be running these on the road and a pair of ercos for the slicks

Frank do they look familiar?

cheers richie
[/quote]

ATS Cup wheels?
Now get some 8" x 13" with 175/60 13's for Jo's Mk1 with fully adjustable Bilsteins and you got a nice pair of German Lookers 

Oh when you get these genuine Gasburners for 300 quid let me know. I'll have a set of 4 but will still pay th esame as you for 6 on an inflated price. Just trying to get the world economy going again 

[Peter]

Hey Richie,
I don't know if you're interested,
but i have a complete Kdata EFI for sale, wasted spark ignition included...
A lot cheaper than DTA