Jeff Denham

[mg]

Agree to disagree. 
I am just approaching this from your perspective. 

What else can you do besides small claims court?
Strong arm him and go to jail for assault?
Smear his reputation on the net till he sues you for libel?
If it was me after 5 years my options would have been exhausted.
Along with my interest in owning anything from a bad supplier. 

[stussyrich]

Been in this situation myself.
But i didn't give up and got my parts, motor and cars.
Don't ever give up on anything in life.
You still have options left to retrieve your losses.
show these people that they can't get away with it.
Then spread to word to protect others who may fall foul of this deception.

[stussyrich]

 






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[DaveN]

Agree to disagree. 
I am just approaching this from your perspective. 

What else can you do besides small claims court?
Strong arm him and go to jail for assault?
Smear his reputation on the net till he sues you for libel?
If it was me after 5 years my options would have been exhausted.
Along with my interest in owning anything from a bad supplier. 

Hes the crook not me , how could he sue me for libel? everything that has been said is true.
small claims court is a option.
I Have afew more options left
I will quiet happily take delivery of my missing parts.

Where is he? what his excuse?

[Richierich56]

you have your way of dealing with things MG and I have mine, we will have to agree to disagree.

Jeff had 5 years to sort his shit out so he had plenty of time.

Totally agree with you on this. The fact that this guy is a 'name' in the aircooled business makes it all the more disappointing aswell.

[Nico86]

he did not reply and has now blocked me.

Seriously? 

Then spread to word to protect others who may fall foul of this deception.

Exactly. If anything, everyone needs to know.

[Eddie DVK]

I always liked this forum, still do, this forum has always been about nice vw guys that help each other worldwide.
Found some much (VW) love on here.
There must be someone on here that knows Jeff personally and can help in this matter.

So Common guys, show your possibility that we are great bunch vw loving guys on this forum.

[WhiteTrash]

Agree to disagree. 
I am just approaching this from your perspective. 

What else can you do besides small claims court?
Strong arm him and go to jail for assault?
Smear his reputation on the net till he sues you for libel?
If it was me after 5 years my options would have been exhausted.
Along with my interest in owning anything from a bad supplier. 

What planet are you on buddy??? Reading this makes my fcuking blood boil. You're telling Dave to let it go? How about YOU pay him back his thousands of £ he's paid the crook to get parts and services he's advertised? You don't seem to have a problem with loosing this kind of money. Some of us have to work twice as hard to get the same amount of money for our labour. Ever thought about that? And yes we all know we are wasting it by putting it into our cars. But we get enjoyment out of it. By just giving a wad of cash to somebody in return for nothing we don't get any enjoyment.
The fact is Jeff has done this for many many many years. I've not directly dealt with him directly, but have parts on my car he's worked on before I bought them. Many of my close friends have dealt with him and told me what he's like. He's fcuked over so many people I've met and spoken too here in the UK and especially over in the US. Waiting years for something promised to be ready within a couple of months, even during a busy time is NOT acceptable. If people would have spoken up years ago, Dave would have probably thought I'll better get my parts elsewhere.
And most Americans don't speak out and just take it. Well not so here in the UK or Germany where I'm from originally. If somebody would fcuk me over like that here I'd hunt the person down what ever it takes. Just ask Stian (Tekken) what happened to a guy who sold him parts for thousands of Euros for his Evo Mitsubishi on a Lancer forum and then never supplied them.
The guy thought he's made easy money because Stian lives in Norway and he was in the UK.
He'd fcuked with the wrong guy, cause Stian is a friend through the drag racing hobby, so I turned up at the guy's house to give him a reminder. Than when he still not paid up I pursued it through every part of the legal system available first, it ending up with High Court bailiffs chasing the guy and his parents having to bail him out. I would have taken it as far as running the guy into complete financial breakdown and him loosing everything if he needed to declare bankruptcy.
Stian got most of his money back and I still know where the other guy lives. Should he try something like that again, something different might happen to him.

I despise people like that, they have no place in society and especially a small hobby like ours.
Do honest work for your living. If you promise something, keep your promise. Don't fcuk people over.
And yes, I run my own small business, nothing to do with cars. I run my business based on good reputation and people recommending me to others. I earn enough money to pay for my hobbies and know I waste it sometimes. But don't fcuk me over or you'll never hear the end of it.

Cheers Frank

[WhiteTrash]

BTW it took almost exactly 3 years from when Stian first approached another friend, who then got me involved, to the day the final money recovered was send from the bailiff company.

And on another example. I have an old Bedford CF motorhome (for you American guys, it looks like a smaller version of a Chevy G10 van and with 4 cyl engine). I had my head converted to hardened valve seats by a local engineering company I'd never used before, who said they can do it withing a couple of weeks no problem.
After 4 weeks I rang and the first thing the guy said was "Good job you've rang, I've lost all your details."
I picked up my head, he said all was good. When I came to fit it a couple of weeks later, I noticed some rust on a core plug. I poked it with screw driver and went straight through. It was rusted to bits! Poked the other 3 plugs and went through two more.
So the guy thinks he only does the work he's asked to do. Part of it was to check the head, he charged extra for resurfacing it, but didn't think to say to me - hey, your core plugs are rusty, do you want me do do them while I'm at it? Or didn't he even check them? I can't tell.
Anyway to me it's bad service. Don't leave your blinkers on at work or pretend not to have noticed.
If I'd fitted the head, driven the motorhome to the racetrack like I do and lost all cooling fluid because it would have eventually failed, I might have been stranded somewhere with a broken engine and a large bill to fix it. The coreplugs were £8 for a pack of 10.

Another guy I know with the same old motorhome locally wants to have the same work done and speaking to him I told him about my experience. He has no clue when it comes to cars, just gets in it to get away at the weekends. He said thanks for the heads up and asked me if I can help him do the work. So I'll get a head done by somebody else now and then fit it when I get it back.
And the company which did my head a year ago is no longer there. What does that tell you? Fcuking cnuts everywhere.

Cheers Frank

[leec]

Well said Frank.
I don't owe you any money do I? 

[vwhelmot]

Frank needs to be hired in this case. 🤔😁

[mg]

Frank your approach is emotional.
If you prefer to get upset and emotional then carry on.
Remember only dogs go mad.  

Frank on my planet most people in the used car biz are not reliable.
Is it the same on your planet?  
We are talking used car mechs right, so expectations are low, right?

This is the used car business.
From used car salesmen to used car mechanics, most you don't want in your life or working on your cars.
It take no skill or training or education to be in the used car biz.
Most are self taught and experts at short cuts and over charging.
Therefore you have some very desperate dishonest characters involved in the business.
The biz is mostly small biz people like Jeff that are working week to week and when they get behind its impossible for them to catch up again.

I'm not surprised when I hear these stories or responses.
Not surprised at your emotional reactions appearing shocked that the word/promise of a used car mech is worthless.
It's common in all makes of used or new cars, lowlifes are everywhere in the car biz.

We all agree it is wrong to take your money and then to not deliver your parts.
But you can control how you process it, do not take it personally, do not let it tarnish you enjoyment of the hobby...

I want to make sure my car hobby happiness is not dependent on anyone but myself.
My simple advice, don't make your car hobby happiness dependent on getting some parts from Jeff.

[DaveN]

Frank your approach is emotional.
If you prefer to get upset and emotional then carry on.
Remember only dogs go mad.  

Frank on my planet most people in the used car biz are not reliable.
Is it the same on your planet?  
We are talking used car mechs right, so expectations are low, right?

This is the used car business.
From used car salesmen to used car mechanics, most you don't want in your life or working on your cars.
It take no skill or training or education to be in the used car biz.
Most are self taught and experts at short cuts and over charging.
Therefore you have some very desperate dishonest characters involved in the business.
The biz is mostly small biz people like Jeff that are working week to week and when they get behind its impossible for them to catch up again.

I'm not surprised when I hear these stories or responses.
Not surprised at your emotional reactions appearing shocked that the word/promise of a used car mech is worthless.
It's common in all makes of used or new cars, lowlifes are everywhere in the car biz.

We all agree it is wrong to take your money and then to not deliver your parts.
But you can control how you process it, do not take it personally, do not let it tarnish you enjoyment of the hobby...

I want to make sure my car hobby happiness is not dependent on anyone but myself.
My simple advice, don't make your car hobby happiness dependent on getting some parts from Jeff.

MG you seem happy to move on when someone rips you off, fair enough.  But other people aren't happy with this.   

[baz]

Since when is Jeff in the used car business?  I thought he was a machinist specialising in vw heads and motors. I'm also pretty sure Jeff would be regarded as skilled in his profession, it's just his attitude that needs adjusting.

[Richierich56]

Frank your approach is emotional.
If you prefer to get upset and emotional then carry on.
Remember only dogs go mad.  

Frank on my planet most people in the used car biz are not reliable.
Is it the same on your planet?  
We are talking used car mechs right, so expectations are low, right?

This is the used car business.
From used car salesmen to used car mechanics, most you don't want in your life or working on your cars.
It take no skill or training or education to be in the used car biz.
Most are self taught and experts at short cuts and over charging.
Therefore you have some very desperate dishonest characters involved in the business.
The biz is mostly small biz people like Jeff that are working week to week and when they get behind its impossible for them to catch up again.

I'm not surprised when I hear these stories or responses.
Not surprised at your emotional reactions appearing shocked that the word/promise of a used car mech is worthless.
It's common in all makes of used or new cars, lowlifes are everywhere in the car biz.

We all agree it is wrong to take your money and then to not deliver your parts.
But you can control how you process it, do not take it personally, do not let it tarnish you enjoyment of the hobby...

I want to make sure my car hobby happiness is not dependent on anyone but myself.
My simple advice, don't make your car hobby happiness dependent on getting some parts from Jeff.

MG - pretty much everything you are saying is just coming across as patronising and self righteous. How are you not meant to take it personally when someone practically steals (which is what it amounts to) £5,000 from you? Its kind of starting to sound like maybe you know the person involved....

[mg]

MG - pretty much everything you are saying is just coming across as patronising and self righteous. How are you not meant to take it personally when someone practically steals (which is what it amounts to) £5,000 from you? Its kind of starting to sound like maybe you know the person involved....

Personally would mean that Jeff wanted to rip off this guy and went about it the best way he could.

In this and most cases Jeff intended to deliver the parts but due to some events in his life has been unable to deliver the parts.
Now you can't take it personally that Jeff had a hardship.
Can we agree he was not out to get you, right?
Its a fine distinction that means a lot to me.
If someone was out to rip me off personally then you can bet I would get personal too.

I don't know anyone involved, I have no dog in this fight.
What it does sound like is the same old BS where us car guys get screwed.

Unless a mech has had factory trained mechanical skills, he is a self taught shade tree mech.
Unless he has business education at the college level then his business practices will be suspect as well.
Disclaimer they can have both and still stick it to ya. 

The mech on my Porsche had 3 years factory training at the Porsche factory in Germany.
He stayed on a year building 962 engines, his came in 2nd at LeMans 24hr.
Was crew chief for 2 years on a well known race team.
So I don't like to lump him into the same category as the cesspool of self taught mechs.

Your typical shade tree guy has what formal mechanical or business training or experience? none.
Guys like Jeff are everywhere living week to week and having a hard time keeping up.
It does not make it right but you can't take it as a personal attack.

Again I don't know Jeff although you guys are naive if you think most used car mechs are highly trained and skilled in business or mechanics. 




 

[baz]

How many years education does it require for someone to know right from wrong?  It's quite simple, don't spend what you haven't got and don't ask payment up front when you know you can't deliver as promised. You don't need a college education to work this stuff out.

[mg]

Its kind of starting to sound like maybe you know the person involved....

Nope just that it happens all the time/everywhere.
I had it happen to me for a few bucks too.
The car hobby is full of disappointments, how often in the car biz are your expectations exceeded? almost never.

We can talk about paint jail and body shops too if you need more misery. 

[WhiteTrash]

Frank your approach is emotional.
If you prefer to get upset and emotional then carry on.
Remember only dogs go mad.  

Frank on my planet most people in the used car biz are not reliable.
Is it the same on your planet?  
We are talking used car mechs right, so expectations are low, right?

And there is the problem. You accept the fact that some, or as you put it, most people in your business are unreliable.
Why are you in it then? Do you like to get fcuked over?

This is the used car business.
From used car salesmen to used car mechanics, most you don't want in your life or working on your cars.
It take no skill or training or education to be in the used car biz.
Most are self taught and experts at short cuts and over charging.
Therefore you have some very desperate dishonest characters involved in the business.
The biz is mostly small biz people like Jeff that are working week to week and when they get behind its impossible for them to catch up again.

This is not exactly used car business as baz pointed out already.
We're not talking replacement parts for shitty daily drivers for which there are thousand of motor factors and garages to go to. Cylinder head modifications is a specialist subject.
Whether Jeff has formal qualifications in vehicle mechanics or is self taught is totally irrelevant, as he has proved he can do top work and has done many of times. But his attitude and way of treating (a large number) of customers which is the problem.
I've done a three and a half year apprenticeship in a VW dealership in Berlin when I left school, which I and many others regard highly. It's taught me many skill I use and build on every day. I couldn't port a pair of CNC heads to improve the gas flow unless I'd be shown properly. My car has a pair of comp eliminator heads with matching manifolds which were machined by Jeff many years ago.
Perhaps you can do everything you ever need to get done on your car. You're very lucky if you never ever have to rely on other people for anything and can it all yourself.

One purpose of this particular forum is for people who can't do everything themselves, to get in contact with people who can. And to rely on them. To share experiences and knowledge.
Why are you on here?
To be patronising or showing off much money you don't care about loosing?
So why don't you transfer a few grand over into Dave's account. Lets just say he'll sort you out with some magic beans which you can put in your tank and they make your car go faster and be more fuel efficient. He's in the used car biz you know, so you most have low expectations of him. The beans will probably not work, but hey, you're car hobby happiness won't be spoilt by it as you just brush it off.
If you don't care about helping each other, even if it is with advise on how to tackle a problem, just leave the forum. You're missing the point.

BTW if you had not made the comments you have, I wouldn't have replied to this thread at all. No good me just saying "Oh sorry to hear about your loss dude". What is needed is somebody actually confronting Jeff face to face. And that would ideally be one of the many Americans who've been fcuked around. A few threads will tarnish reputation yes. And deservedly so, but they don't solve ongoing issues. And who is Jeff going to sue if he's got no money as he says.
Plug up the fcuking courage instead of bending over and taking it.

Cheers Frank

[WhiteTrash]

Its kind of starting to sound like maybe you know the person involved....

Nope just that it happens all the time/everywhere.
I had it happen to me for a few bucks too.
The car hobby is full of disappointments, how often in the car biz are your expectations exceeded? almost never.

We can talk about paint jail and body shops too if you need more misery.  

There we go again, you just can't stop help but showing off that you lost a few bucks and it doesn't matter. Was is just a "few" bucks or do you consider a few grand "just a few Bucks" cause you have plenty of it.
To put it in a straight forward German way, why don't you take your fucking Porsche and talk shit about how great you are on a Porsche forum where nobody needs help and advise, you all have so much money to throw away, it's funny.
This forum is for people who mainly enjoy modified VW Beetles.

[mg]

There we go again, you just can't stop help but showing off that you lost a few bucks and it doesn't matter. Was is just a "few" bucks or do you consider a few grand "just a few Bucks" cause you have plenty of it.
To put it in a straight forward German way, why don't you take your fucking Porsche and talk shit about how great you are on a Porsche forum where nobody needs help and advise, you all have so much money to throw away, it's funny.
This forum is for people who mainly enjoy modified VW Beetles.

Frank you sound hostile?
Frank please don't miss direct your anger over Jeff's parts on me?
I do have a lot of experience dealing with used cars.
Honestly why continue if you don't consider AC VWs as used? lol

[leec]

It's funny, you say if you lost a few bucks you would put it behind you and move on. Yet on this thread your comments have clearly angered a few (me included) but you keep arguing your point and not letting it go, like you advise people to do earlier in your replies

[Martin S.]

It's funny cuz my engine took five years as well. Health problems ending in death was the root cause unfortunately. 

[Nico86]

(Edited regarding messages I am getting about that post I made here -and I have better things to do in life than replying to or even bothering reading-)

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[baz]

I was merely replying to mg who stated it takes no skill, training or education to be in the used car business.  You cannot seriously say Jeff isn't skilled, you can say a lot of things about him but unskilled isn't one of them.

[DaveN]

I think you made some good points in your post Nico and the French way of doing things seems better for the customer.

He can do some good work as Baz points out when he wants to, but he isn't interested in doing his job to a sensible timescale or running his business properly. 

[Richierich56]

Superb standard of work or otherwise, this is not the point is it???

[DaveN]

Superb standard of work or otherwise, this is not the point is it???

He obviously has no intention to supply me my parts

[Richierich56]

Superb standard of work or otherwise, this is not the point is it???

He obviously has no intention to supply me my parts

Have you put a thread on thesamba yet or not going to bother?

[DaveN]

I have put a thread on the samba with a link to here.  I have tried emailing him but no response.