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« on: June 20, 2016, 21:07:04 pm »

I was at drachten raceway and raced 3 days with no issues.
My best time was 15.1
I did not changed any settings on the car at all
Could drive it all day long  Grin
I tested the burn out in 2nd gear and how the car drove
I dont have to steer the car it goes straight and smooth
After al those years i now have it worked out
Now the tunning can begin  and the turbo
Made some onboard videos
And best i ended 2nd in streetclass as the car was verry consistant al weekend got my first cup
Let the good times begin yeah!!!!
Enjoy the vids

https://youtu.be/dPTTvka7FLU  first 2nd gear burn out
https://youtu.be/FgEo76oMIOk onboard view car goes straight no steering
Gr henri
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 13:26:01 pm »

All your hard work is starting to pay off! Engine sounds great, car is driving straight, car looks great and is consistent  as well. Cool You also won a cup! Good for you! Now time for the next tuning level, go for it!
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 23:55:52 pm »

Really happy for you Henry.
What engine did you drive now and where will it be going?
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 16:05:30 pm »

Hi as my old topic had a bad crash ,Trond advised me to start a new one so here it is .
as drachten was fun and the car went wel .
I decided to bolt a turbo on it for the next event and do some trans mods
the transmission shift times are to long now .
i noticed that the faster i go more meters it need for shifing ,but i have the fix on that ready.
the gears are quite long for the car ,only got 3 so its getting lazy by it .it needs a turbo asap!
I have the kkk 26 that came off the same audi 200 that the trans came from .
it also was a 2.2 but it only flows until 1 bar boost
but i hope to get decend times out of it it spools fast and i dont have to lift the throttle .
i hope it wil get some 250 horses and times in the 12s
and that it wil crisp the tyres now
the fun thing is i only have to bolt it on and go to dyno.
had a few pics from the weekend left

gr henri


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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 23:31:15 pm »

oh i thought you were using the beetle auto transmission.... thats very interesting??

14psi would defiantly make a difference i feel!! whats your compressions? i'd love to go turbo  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 14:59:56 pm »

Congratulations again on your next step. Love your progress.  Now subscribed so I do not miss any updates.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 20:58:57 pm »

Turbo time
Did some mocking and fitting
I seems that it going to eat some rice next time om the track
And street .
Gr henri
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 21:02:47 pm »

Turbo time
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 21:09:53 pm »

Henri

Can you get oil out of turbo there? looks like it will need a pump to get it back into engine?

cheers Richie
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 21:18:27 pm »

Its sits  above oil level
I hoped that was good ?
Gr henri


Henri

Can you get oil out of turbo there? looks like it will need a pump to get it back into engine?

cheers Richie
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 21:19:14 pm »

Wait i take a better pic ok ?
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 21:19:55 pm »

Its sits  above oil level
I hoped that was good ?
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Henri

Can you get oil out of turbo there? looks like it will need a pump to get it back into engine?

cheers Richie

Were are you going to return it in engine?
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 21:31:18 pm »

Where it was
I use the old oil fil in the sump
The centre of the turbine is above the centre of the
Valve cover
So was thinking it can return
Quite a deep sump on the wasser.

Gr henri
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 21:36:04 pm »

It looks like oil return will have to go under exhaust tube? or is there room to go through? if it goes under then you have to go up to filler in sump?
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 21:44:19 pm »

No  the filler is under the j pipe
2 cm
Hard to see on the pic

Gr henri
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2016, 02:07:17 am »

Ritchie could you suggest a small oil scavenge pump that would cope with the heat and frothing?
Please?
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Nice car Henri, the auto is cool.
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2016, 09:28:52 am »

No  the filler is under the j pipe
2 cm
Hard to see on the pic

Gr henri

Ok hopefully you can get it in there ok without it going up at all Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2016, 09:30:50 am »

Ritchie could you suggest a small oil scavenge pump that would cope with the heat and frothing?
Please?
 Grin

Nice car Henri, the auto is cool.


Not used anything, I would do a mini sump under turbo[ with a breather so turbo doesn't get sucked dry] then a remote pump but never actually needed to try it

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2016, 18:53:36 pm »

That's an unusual combination  Huh
There's a late VW water expansion tank on the LH side. Do you actually have a water cooled Wasserboxer in there? And why an auto transmission? Does an Audi trans bolt straight onto the engine?

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2016, 20:48:53 pm »

No  the filler is under the j pipe
2 cm
Hard to see on the pic

Gr henri

Ok hopefully you can get it in there ok without it going up at all Smiley

I wil try it first and when puff and smoke i will change it
Just thougt it was ok like this
The cb turbo kit is even lower than mine and has no pump
So i think when i go a bit higher it will be ok .


Gr henri
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2016, 21:03:14 pm »

All you can do is try and see Smiley  It not so much how low it is[turbo] as how you get outlet pipe to sump without going low then back up higher to go round header and exhaust tubes
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2016, 21:15:57 pm »

All you can do is try and see Smiley  It not so much how low it is[turbo] as how you get outlet pipe to sump without going low then back up higher to go round header and exhaust tubes

Ok richie so if i can go in a straight line like it is now   i am safe ?

Gr henri
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2016, 22:59:55 pm »

All you can do is try and see Smiley  It not so much how low it is[turbo] as how you get outlet pipe to sump without going low then back up higher to go round header and exhaust tubes

Ok richie so if i can go in a straight line like it is now   i am safe ?

Gr henri


I believe that you will be just fine with you setup. We are currentyly running 3/4" ID return line with a 3" drop from the center section oil return flange.
Just try to follow what Richie suggested about your oil outlet routing. The sump end of oil return line should also be above sump oil level at all times.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2016, 13:01:03 pm »

Thanx guys for your input .
Today i could not resist to start it up
It already sounds like it want to go.

https://youtu.be/Zdo38MbHlXk

Gr henri
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2016, 16:19:34 pm »

Oooh after 32 years and 300000+ km
This audi wg gave up.
The guide is worn and exhaust gasses passed it into the diaphram chambre
So thats cracked to.
No i have to get myself a new guide and diaphram
And it can go 32 years again.


Gr henri
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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2016, 19:34:34 pm »

Aaargh the old turbo died on the first start up
Lots of blue smoke
Opened it up and it was toast.............

But ...i got hold of a brand new kkk k27 turbo charger
Its a lot bigger
Today i did mount it on the car
Load of work it was to fit it under the fender
But it sits now and after start up no more smoke and it sounds happy
Lets get it on the roads soon and see what it can do
And then track time
Als happy that everything looks like a stock beetle

Gr henri
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2016, 19:48:56 pm »

Your turbo mounts a lot higher than mine and I've never had an issue of smoking in 2 years... Great job

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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2016, 22:31:12 pm »

That's an unusual combination  Huh
There's a late VW water expansion tank on the LH side. Do you actually have a water cooled Wasserboxer in there? And why an auto transmission? Does an Audi trans bolt straight onto the engine?

Frank

Hi frank yes its a wbx engine
And the gearbox is a mix of an audi porsche and vw t3
I did a lot of american drag automatics and wanted the same style in a bug
Like highstall transbrake launches and it look like i am getting there
Was not an easy route i must say

Gr henri
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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2016, 22:33:16 pm »

oh i thought you were using the beetle auto transmission.... thats very interesting??

14psi would defiantly make a difference i feel!! whats your compressions? i'd love to go turbo  Grin

2200 cc turbo 8.5 to 1 andy  and yes no beetle autobox
Just some home brew mix

Gr henri
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2016, 22:41:02 pm »

Your turbo mounts a lot higher than mine and I've never had an issue of smoking in 2 years... Great job



Thanx
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