Injection that looks like IDAs

[Fastbrit]

Interesting, Not cheap, but interesting. Developed for Cobra guys who want the look of four 48IDAs but all the convenience of EFI...

http://dynatekracing.com/fuelinjection.htm

[yvre]

Cool... But where are the injectors?

[Lids]

i suspect they are in the carb bodies, these look like new carb bodies that have the FI all routed into them.  SO you can't see it.

[Rasser]

You just gotta love their statement about the fueleconomy:

 "Fuel econoniy improvements of nearly 300% on some carbureted engines"

 

[Zach Gomulka]

Its about damn time!!! All you gotta do is hide the wires and THOSE LOOK LIKE IDAS!!!! Thats FI that even I would run!!! 

So about $6k for the V8 set up, figure about half that for a VW... not cheap, but what is these days?! 

[louisb]

It is a nice looking setup. I would run it if I decided to ever to FI.

--louis

[pupjoint]

Not sure if they are the same, but jenvey also makes the IDA type throttle body

[streetvw]

the jenvy throttle boddies don't really look like Ida's, they are IDA fitment

[lawrence]

I would love to have this setup on my car. The website even states that there is a VW application. I wonder if this efi has the IDA bark though

[pupjoint]

i think it says 6K could be for the complete system, including ignition etc etc etc

maybe if we just buy the throttle bodies alone could be much cheaper...

technically they should be cheaper to make than carbs right? no?

[Eddie DVK]

Cool...........
This is what we have been waiting for.
The advantages of fuel injection and the looks of 48 IDA s...
This is a step forward.

[Rocket-Racing]

I can see the advantages of running EFI. I can also see the advantages of running a small modern car that gets 45 mpg. I wouldn't do either..
Kidding aside, EFI is nice, but making it look like IDAs doesn't really appeal to me. A bit like having a cover that looks like an old Hemi on top of your modern multi-valve V8..
Of course it makes the engine bay of a show car look cool and traditional, but there is something about the look of those (real) IDAs that says something about the car and the owner. And the first words that come to mind isn't "fuel economy" or "driveability".

Guess it's just me that's stuck in the past and love all things mechanical and traditional.

[JS]

YOU SAID IT ROCKET MAN!

[Lids]

the injectors are in the fuel bowls

[BeetleBug]

And price? Anyone asked them the price for two with everything...?

[Zach Gomulka]

They would work lovely atop a 101.6x82 2659cc monster

[Jim Ratto]

how about carbs that resemble fuel injection....at least in the way they run?

[Dave Galassi]

That's a neat idea.  I wonder if (and expect that) they are 48mm bore. 

My CB 48's are a lot of air to deal with right off idle for a street engine, or at least it has been a tuning challenge for me and my truck.  If that were smaller bore, affordable, and injector flexible (I assume it is), then I would think it would be great.

[Zach Gomulka]

That's a neat idea.  I wonder if (and expect that) they are 48mm bore. 

My CB 48's are a lot of air to deal with right off idle for a street engine, or at least it has been a tuning challenge for me and my truck.  If that were smaller bore, affordable, and injector flexible (I assume it is), then I would think it would be great.

But you've "only" got a 2110, right? And you are dealing with a heavy T-2. My guess it that they would work well on your average 2.3 beetle.

[Black Sheep]

Ive seen something like this before , designed with Mazda RX7 in mind , 48 style throttle bodies with injectors

[Lids]

I think you are missing the point.  The mazda ones have a fuel rail, so look like EFI, but these ones have the fuel rail inside the float bowl.  Apart from the wiring they look like stock IDA's!!!!  All the benefits of EFI but with the old school looks of twin IDA's, this was similar to an idea i had for my engine.

I was going to use the IDA as a throttle body, and have my DDS manifolds tapped for injectors on the inside near the fan shroud.  Run a dummy fuel line and voilà  old school looks, modern performance.

[Zach Gomulka]

I emailed last night, and got a few questions answered this morning

Zach,

Our VW/Porsche applications are sold as 'retro-fit' kits, as we do not have a direct hassle free
bolton style kit available. Basically you would replace your existing 48IDAs with our throttle
bodies, and use your existing linkage and bracketry (not limited to the actual arms on the
throttle bodies themselves) to ensure smooth operation. Our system is dependent on a MAP signal,
and each intake runner will need a vaccum provision leading to a common plenum/log. The ECU with
built in MAP sensor, will then draw signal from that log. Fueling the system is straightforward
although you will need to upgrade to a high pressure system and add a return line if you have not
one available.
The main concern is that at this point, we do not have a library of base tunes established for
our VW market as it is not very common to us at this venture. Typically our tunes are 95% there
and just require some fine tuning. You will have to get your vehicle setup on a dyno in these
regards. The software is very user friendly, and we ship with a tuning manual to help you along.
If you run into trouble, you can always call us on tech support as we are more than happy to help.
Pricing will be based on individual needs for this style of systems. Thanks!

Regards,


Tom Hank
Dynatek Racing
1.866.839.0177

[ian c]

did they give you a price zach ??

[The Ideaman]

Bobby Welker of Fresno is using these throttle bodies with CB's new injection setup.

[Zach Gomulka]

did they give you a price zach ??

I asked, but that info was not given I'll try again

[John Maher]

Throttle bodies that look like IDAs???   

Why go to the trouble of making something look other than what it is??   

Maybe you guys also like those fibreglass front end kits with the Rolls Royce grill? 

Take your heads out of the sand (or maybe your arse) ... just like a small group of innovators did back in the '60s... they fitted IDAs, went to the drag strip and raced the V8 crowd
History was made 

If those same innovators had been restricted to using parts deemed acceptable by the yet to be born self-appointed-style-police, the whole VW performance scene might never have happened

Embrace something new
Make it work to your advantage

Form follows function.... if it actually works, history proves people will eventually accept whatever gets the job done as being cool (as if that matters)   

[58vw]

well said John

[ian c]

Embrace something new

sounds a bit like youre having trouble embracing this new product john !!   

[Fastbrit]

Form follows function....    

I agree. That's why we all drive rat-look, primered Bugs with EFI-equipped turbo'd & intercooled motors. 

[John Maher]

sounds a bit like youre having trouble embracing this new product john !!   

You got me there 

I'd use 'em if I thought they offered an advantage over other TBs but can't see any reason why I should pay extra for the disguise (hair shirt)!

TBH I prefer my TBs to look like TBs!   

Form follows function....    

I agree. That's why we all drive rat-look, primered Bugs with EFI-equipped turbo'd & intercooled motors. 

Now you're getting me mixed up with that particularly perverted fundamentalist right wing splinter group offshoot of the original self-appointed-style-police 

Whatever floats your boat is fine by me. It's a sad state of affairs hearing people would only consider running injection if it looked exactly like an IDA motor 
The automotive equivalent of wearing a toupé...?