Late Looker (type 4)

[Eddie DVK]

Looks really good Eddie

Winter upgrades? Type 1?   

cheers Richie

Whahaha  No Richie, I stick with the Type 4. You need someone you can sell those type 4 stuff you sometimes have, that you don t need, to. 
Have some new internal components that I like to try, more revs, higher CR and bigger carbs, try to squees more horsepower out of this set up.

Ok,

Now back in the garage, maybe for some winter updates

I am waiting to see the Deutz cylinders finished!!   

Yeah I am waiting too but it is not going very fast with those cylinders at the moment.

Regards Edgar

[Eddie DVK]

Ok small update.

Never liked that the oil hoses are visible in the engine bay, they go into the front of the shroud, but at the time didn t know how to do it proper.


Now I tried to make them not visible in engine bay anymore, so try to route them to the back of the shroud, but ran into some clearance problems. Engine / gearbox bolts don t clear.



So machined the oilcooler adapter down as far as possible.



Ok bolts are clear now.

But now the next banjobolts don t clear.


So made a small indentation in enginecase flange

Tried a few times till I had enough clearance


Happy for now. 

[Eddie DVK]

So now reroute the oilhoses and test if they don t leak.
And weld the holes in the front shroud.

Regards edgar

[Eddie DVK]

Ok,
tried some welding, not the best work yet  , but this is just in the back
When you flip the cooler, the cooler inlet 'hole' need welded shut.



The holes where the hoses use to be welded shut...
a bit better then the back 


The back trimmed to the right shape.


Getting it smooth for paint




Almost ready for normal black paint.

Regards Edgar

[Eddie DVK]

Ok, not a lot off pace in it at the moment but some progress.
Gpt the cooler back in the shroud and test fitted the hoses.
Not a lot of room on the leftside of the engine compartement so
will route the oilhoses to the rightside..
Will need a little bit more hose then.





Hope this will give me a cleaner looking engine bay.

[Arnoud]

Hi Eddy!

I recon you don't use the car during winter?Otherwise you could opt to use the oilcooler-heat to warm the cabin.This will be what I'll do to my bug.
Keep up the good work!

Cheers,Arnoud

[Eddie DVK]

Arnoud,

You are right I don t use my car during the winter,
I don t have heating, But I do use the fan of the Type 4 engine.
Under my back seat. Works realy great.

Because my car is of 73 I need fresh air on the windshield (by law in Holland).

[Eddie DVK]

Nice weather is coming.
Just a little cleaning, and now putting everything back together again.

You can see on the right were the oilhoses are leaving the engine bay.



Broen  , is this ok so?

It is not completely in the middle on 1-2 side either.

Regards Edgar

[broen messiaen]

yep, now i see it's the same way as with mine engine.

have bought a 30hp fanhouse for doghouse cooler and I will use the air that goes through the stock cooler (with i don't use) to go extra to the thirth cilinder.
and I have also thought about mounting a Y-pieces to the inside of the csp tin so he air goes over the entire head (some of the original tin has that)

thanks

[Eddie DVK]

Hi,
well I have used the 30hp doghouse cooler also but modified it to fit a type 4 cooler in it.
I don't have a issue with oil temperature, but I am not sure what my head temperature is at
the #3 cylinder.
But I have used all the tricks to have enough cooling (cool air) in my engine bay, used the cabrio hood with
extra holes behind the license plate, use the velocity ring behind the shroud and made the proper plating to keep the warm
air from under my car not entering the engine bay..

I bought the velocity ring at http://www.awesomepowdercoat.com/cylinder_air_vanes.html
they also have the vanes, Y -pieces, that you talk about.

Hope this helps

Regards Edgar

[broen messiaen]

Hello Eddie,
Thanks for the info.
I'm almost ready with my cooling tin. This is how i did it:


This way the air that normally goes throug the cooler goes toward the 3'cilinder head.

Now back on topic for your build
Greeting.

[Eddie DVK]

Ok,
everything is back together and until now no oil leaks.
So ready to go.

Never liked that the oil hoses are visible in the engine bay, they go into the front of the shroud, but at the time didn t know how to do it proper.


Now I tried to make them not visible in engine bay anymore, so try to route them to the back of the shroud.

No oil hoses in engine bay anymore, me happy.



Oh and made some an adjustment to the gas pedal.. the plastic bus/wheel was a little broke. so made a new one from allu.
.

I think it is ready for the summer.

[Eddie DVK]

Ok, not many updates, to much work and no fun..
Tried something with the interior... blacked out the trim, and had and old 70 vw steering wheel which I like to try..
Should I black the steering wheel also..?


Next thing, Still gathering engine parts for a more potent engine.

[thehanz DVK]

Nice Eddie.... I would paint the steering wheel black , but that's up to your OWN taste off course

[Stevo_L]

I'd paint the pedals 

[Eddie DVK]

I'd paint the pedals 

Whahaha noooooo... they came with the car like this.... kinda like them...

[Eddie DVK]

Ok black it is, that is my old steering wheel that I painted.
 

[Eddie DVK]

Ok have been collecting parts for a 4 inch type 4 engine.
Won t be 101.6 though, found me a perfect set of JE 100mm pistons that fit right in the 100 Deutz cylinders.
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Oh also found a welded crank from DPR 55mm taps
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So will be 76.4 x 100 making it 2400cc

also have H beam 22 mm piston pen for the crank.
Will also have thorsten pieper type 1 cam followers.

Try to update here or make a new topic of it.

[Eddie DVK]

Ok,

This is the plan, been collecting parts. Hope I have enough spare time to do this this summer.
76.4 DPR Counterweighted welded crank with 55mm taps (66mm Rod taps)
ADV performance 133mm H beam rods (22mm piston pen)
Deutz cilinders 100mm
Type 4 100mm JE pistons
Webcam 86b 108 degr lobe center
Thortsten Pieper type 1 cam followers(56gr)
Thortsten Pieper tapered push rods.
NOS 45 Dellorto carbs.
Will be using my current heads 42x36 (stainless steel 8mm stem valves).
30mm ADV oil pump.
Will be 2400cc.
Will try to update the built here.

Wanted to built a 4 inch engine (101.6mm) , but costs of machining the deutz cilinders and 4 inch pistons was a little bit to steep.
When i came across the 100mm JE pistons for cheap on e-bay.. the choice was made easy for me.

[Eddie DVK]

Oh try to do most of the work myself.
Already prepared a CJ case for type 1 lifters.
Modified the rockers for 10 mm swivel feet adjusters.

[Neil Davies]

Those pistons were a lucky find! I've never had a type 4 motor apart (owned 3 of them in buses though!) so I'm interested in the build. May as well keep it here - keeps it all together!

[Eddie DVK]

Ok the parts I gathered so far.

Deutz test cylinder on spec of a 94mm
The ProsSeal came with the pistons
H beam for 66mm tap (55mm/133mm lenght) on top. under H-beam for the 71mm tap (50mm/131mm lenght).
Bushes to adjust the type 4 case for type 1 cam followers
10mm Swivelfeet
The piston pen 22mm fits the H-beam
Webcam cam








Regards Edgar

[Eddie DVK]

Some more parts.
Try to keep the engine parts light.




I think i got al the parts now.

[Eddie DVK]

Hangarz last sunday.
I did not make the pictures, they are from facebook

[Eddie DVK]

Ok,

Fall/winter is coming so I am starting with machining parts for this engine.
But a question, what would you guys suggest for the sizes to machine the heads and case for the 100 mm cilinders?

I can machine the deutz cilinder in whatever size I want so.
Case is now still standard 100mm
Heads still standard 105mm

I have found some info on cilinder sizes and case and heads sizes
Type 4 Empi 100mm - case 106mm - heads 108mm
Type 4 LN Nickies 100mm - case 108.5 - heads 115mm
Type 4 AA 103mm - case 109mm - heads 115mm
Type 4 Mahle 103mm - case 106.8 - heads 112mm

So what are you guys think also considering good sealing for the heads with the 100mm pistons/cilinder.

Thanks in regards

[Eddie DVK]

Collecting the last stuff to complete the engine. 



Thorsten Pieper Tool steel lifters
 

[Erlend / bug66]

I would go as big as possible on OD on the cylinders.

If you then want to bore the cylinders out later, you are still good to go.

[modnrod]

Can I please ask what engine the 10mm swivelfeet come from?

I've got type 1 rockers with 10mm adjusters ready and waiting ........ 

[Eddie DVK]

Can I please ask what engine the 10mm swivelfeet come from?

I've got type 1 rockers with 10mm adjusters ready and waiting ........  

The first ones that people used where I believe from a Mercedes engine.
But you can just order them from TP
http://www.tp-technologie.de/produkte%20ventileinstellsch.htm

Regards Edgar

[Eddie DVK]

Ok need a bit of help.
Some say de CB650 valve springs are a bit of an overkill for my cam/light cam followers, and that I can get away with
single springs with that cam and light parts.

So would this be a n option than?
https://www.csp-shop.com/en/engine/valve-springs-109-623-010jpm-24961a.html

Other question can I get the spring pressure up by shimming the valve springs to the correct spec for the cam?
Help appreciated.

Reegards Edgar