Cal Look Engine Combos and HP

[Jim Ratto]

CC and HP  2386cc 174rwhp and 160ftlb through a beat up old stock '67 trans on the chassis dyno once.
                 I figure it's gotta be good for a couple ticks over 200hp at the flywheel.



Cam           Engle FK10 stroker clearanced and picked up from engle on 6/6/06

did you have it exorcised to keep it from going flat?

it's the anticam!!!! EEEK!!!
 

[Sarge]

how come there's only a few sub-2 litre engine posted in this thread?

   That's because SIZE matters!

[Arry]

Motor for my 67 Sedan

CC and HP 1914CC 168 HP @ Flywheel @ 7000

Crank         Berg 69mm counterweighted

Rods          Berg Reworked VW I beam

P/B            94's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's

Cam           Engle W-140 and Steel Magnum Straight Cuts

Heads        Steve Tims 42X37 Stage 2 with Match Ported Scat DW-2 Short IDA Manifolds

Rockers      1.1 VW,  chromolly push rods  German VW lifters

C/R           10 to 1   

Ignition      Bosch 010 Dist. (Reworked advance springs and weights)

Carbs         Italian 48 IDA's 42 vents Deano linkage

Exhaust     Berg 1 5/8 Merge with A1 Muffler

Flywheel    12 lb 11/32  8 Doweled

Clutch       Kennedy stage 1 Daken Ridged Disc

Oil pump   Berg 26mm  Berg pump cover

Sump       Berg 1 1/2 Qt

Pulleys      NOS Santana Stock size

Trans       Old School Non Freeway LOL   ( 4:37 R/P H/D mainshaft,1:58 3rd, 1:32 4 th)

   1914... 168hp!

That's great man! How does it run on the street?
42 vents...!   

[Bewitched666]

Friends engine,old skool callook.
69 cw crank
88 cima pistons forged
fk-8 cam
40x35.5 cnc round ports
48 ida's
12 lbs flywheel
straight cuts
1.4 rockers
No idea of hp output

[Diederick/DVK]

wow shubee, those are massive numbers!!

[Cheesepanzer]

Current Engine:  2054cc - Mixture of vintage speed and new

Crankshaft:     74mm Tony Mance, wedgemated to 12.5 lbs flywheel
Rods:             Scat 5.400" I-beam connecting rods
Piston/Cyl:      94mm, valve pockets
Camshaft:       Engle FK10 w/1.4 Rockers
Heads:           Lonnie Reed "Head Shop" Wedgeports, 42x37.5 valves
Compression:   10.92 to 1
Exhaust:         Berg 1 3/4" merged with custom Flowmaster 2 1/2" muffler
Ignition:          MSD
Induction:       Italian 48IDA's, 42mm venturis, Berg Linkage, Skat Trak intake manifolds

Estimated h.p.:  180-ish


Future Engine (have all the parts  ):  2332cc

Crankshaft:     84mm Demello, wedgemated to 12.5 lbs flywheel
Rods:             Demello 5.500" H-beam connecting rods
Piston/Cyl:      Mahle 94mm, valve pockets
Camshaft:       CB2296 w/CB 1.4 Rockers, Udo Lifters
Heads:           Jeff Denham race heads, 46x37.5 valves
Compression:   Targeting 12-13 to 1
Exhaust:         Kymco 1 7/8" merged with custom Flowmaster 2 1/2" muffler
Ignition:          MSD
Induction:       JayCee Ent. prepped Italian IDA's, Opened to 51.5mm, 46mm venturis, Berg Linkage, Skat Trak intake manifolds

Estimated h.p.:  Any guesses?

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

Trans       Old School Non Freeway LOL   ( 4:37 R/P H/D mainshaft,1:58 3rd, 1:32 4 th)

Shoob-

Remind me never to go on any roadtrips with you if you're driving this car/trans!
Top highway speed ... 45-50??
LOL!!!
[/quote]LOL I like Looking at the Shift Lite Glowing going threw the Lights  LMAO  and no Need for a Radio you Could not hear it if it put out 2000 amps  LOL

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

Motor for my 67 Sedan

CC and HP 1914CC 168 HP @ Flywheel @ 7000

Crank         Berg 69mm counterweighted

Rods          Berg Reworked VW I beam

P/B            94's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's

Cam           Engle W-140 and Steel Magnum Straight Cuts

Heads        Steve Tims 42X37 Stage 2 with Match Ported Scat DW-2 Short IDA Manifolds

Rockers      1.1 VW,  chromolly push rods  German VW lifters

C/R           10 to 1   

Ignition      Bosch 010 Dist. (Reworked advance springs and weights)

Carbs         Italian 48 IDA's 42 vents Deano linkage

Exhaust     Berg 1 5/8 Merge with A1 Muffler

Flywheel    12 lb 11/32  8 Doweled

Clutch       Kennedy stage 1 Daken Ridged Disc

Oil pump   Berg 26mm  Berg pump cover

Sump       Berg 1 1/2 Qt

Pulleys      NOS Santana Stock size

Trans       Old School Non Freeway LOL   ( 4:37 R/P H/D mainshaft,1:58 3rd, 1:32 4 th)

   1914... 168hp!

That's great man! How does it run on the street?
42 vents...!   

Light to Light Its Great Nothing like it but it gets Old Quick when driving for a while pulls real hard threw all gears but is close to redline  at top of the 1/4 mile with the close gear box

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

you're joking, how you never built a fast non-turbo type 1 engine?  

how come there's only a few sub-2 litre engine posted in this thread?
are the owners a bit shy about their HP numbers? i liked to see a few more just for the sake of comparison...

Always seem to have chrome on them somewhere  
Anyway going on the figures Shubee has posted nothing I could do would ever come close to them

cheers richie,uk

LOL Richie Guess this is your Problem? I dont think I have ever built a Cal look engine  so cant really help with this     cheers richie     OLD School Always Ran the # 's Even in the 70's  LOL Hang with old guys Might learn some old tricks LMAO  Ref: Old Guys Tims,Crawford,Huntsacker,Fleming,Berg,Smith,Klingerman,ect.

[Bewitched666]

Its all in the heads Died

[nicolas]

you're joking, how you never built a fast non-turbo type 1 engine?  

how come there's only a few sub-2 litre engine posted in this thread?
are the owners a bit shy about their HP numbers? i liked to see a few more just for the sake of comparison...

Always seem to have chrome on them somewhere  
Anyway going on the figures Shubee has posted nothing I could do would ever come close to them

cheers richie,uk

ah damn... 


(on both statements) 

[richie]

you're joking, how you never built a fast non-turbo type 1 engine?  

how come there's only a few sub-2 litre engine posted in this thread?
are the owners a bit shy about their HP numbers? i liked to see a few more just for the sake of comparison...

Always seem to have chrome on them somewhere  
Anyway going on the figures Shubee has posted nothing I could do would ever come close to them

cheers richie,uk

LOL Richie Guess this is your Problem? I dont think I have ever built a Cal look engine  so cant really help with this     cheers richie     OLD School Always Ran the # 's Even in the 70's  LOL Hang with old guys Might learn some old tricks LMAO  Ref: Old Guys Tims,Crawford,Huntsacker,Fleming,Berg,Smith,Klingerman,ect.

Nah its just that i think those figures are pure fantasy


cheers richie

[nicolas]

you're joking, how you never built a fast non-turbo type 1 engine?  

how come there's only a few sub-2 litre engine posted in this thread?
are the owners a bit shy about their HP numbers? i liked to see a few more just for the sake of comparison...

Always seem to have chrome on them somewhere  
Anyway going on the figures Shubee has posted nothing I could do would ever come close to them

cheers richie,uk

LOL Richie Guess this is your Problem? I dont think I have ever built a Cal look engine  so cant really help with this     cheers richie     OLD School Always Ran the # 's Even in the 70's  LOL Hang with old guys Might learn some old tricks LMAO  Ref: Old Guys Tims,Crawford,Huntsacker,Fleming,Berg,Smith,Klingerman,ect.

Nah its just that i think those figures are pure fantasy


cheers richie

phew!

[Peter Shattock]

Motor for my 61 Sedan 1776cc on pump gas (Shell V power 97 UK octane)

Crank         69mm counterweighted

Rods          5.4 Carrillo's

P/B            90.5's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's total seal 2nd ring

Cam           Engle FK87 and Steel Magnum Straight Cuts

Heads        Jeff Denham 42X37 Ti valves and retainers

Rockers      1.54 Berg,  chromolly push rods  Scat lifters

C/R           10.5 to 1 HP 165 HP @ Flywheel @ just over 7000 and best 12.45 et now 11.75 to 1 not dynoed but best et 12.20   

Ignition      Mag. (Reworked advance springs and weights)

Carbs         48 IDA's

Exhaust     1 5/8 Merge with twin QP or stinger when racing

Flywheel    12 lb 8 Doweled and wedgemated

Clutch       Kennedy stage 1 Black magic Disc

Oil pump   Berg 30mm  Berg pump cover

Sump       Berg 1 1/2 Qt

Pulleys      Berg equalizer power pulley

Times above are with slicks no fan belt and a stinger, car weighs in at 1584lbs with me in it.

[Jesse/DVK]

Crank         DPR 69mm counterweighted

Rods          5.4 SCAT I-Beam

P/B            94's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's

Cam           Engle FK8 and CB Perf. straight cut steel gears

Heads        VW 041 39x35.5 ported by Remmele

Rockers      Bugpack 1.4 rockers, CB Perf. Lightweight 30mm lifters, manton lightweight pushrods

C/R           10 to 1 

Ignition      1-2-3 ignition (009)

Carbs         48 IDA's

Exhaust     1 1/2 Merge with turbo muffler

Flywheel    12 lb 8 Doweled forged

Clutch       Kennedy stage 1 Daikin Super disc

Oil pump   Shadek 26mm with Berg cover

Sump       Berg 4Qt

Pulleys      CB Perf. equalizer pulley

HP           No idea, still buidling. Any guesses? 

[airstuff]

Waiting to be build up:(missing few things)

Crank         BrothersVW 82mm counterweighted (chinese)

Rods          5.4 SCAT I-Beam

P/B            94's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's,teflon buttons

Cam           Engle FK10 & Bugpack straight cut gears

Heads        Steve Tims 42x37.5 Stage 2 043 casting cylinder heads

Rockers      CB  1.4 rockers, CB Perf. Lightweight 30mm lifters, manton lightweight pushrods

C/R           donnow yet,probably around 10:1

Ignition      Pertronix Billet distributor,Pertronix 2 ignitor and coil

Carbs         48 IDF's

Exhaust     1 3/4 cb performance?

Flywheel    12.5 lb 8 Doweled forged

Clutch       Kennedy stage 2 Daikin Super disc

Oil pump   Shadek 26mm with Berg cover

Sump       Berg 3 1/2 quarter

Pulleys      CB Perf. equalizer pulley,sand seal

HP           No idea, yet,need to start building

[Casey]

Even though my car is sitting with its ass up in the air, I still wanna play!

84x94
Bugpack Flanged
Cima 94s (with some lovin')
scat 5.5
Web 86c adv 1deg (Berg 1:45 .590ish at the valve)
9 to 1
cb vw castings ported by Anthony at Heads Up
45x36 with all the fixins'
cb manifolds heavily ported top to bottom
1 3/4 header

205hp on Rogers dyno (temp on hot summer day was 100 deg.)
Caution: This combo is known to suddenly drip oil!!!!

[fish]

Motor for my 61 Sedan 1776cc on pump gas (Shell V power 97 UK octane)

Crank         69mm counterweighted

Rods          5.4 Carrillo's

P/B            90.5's Mahle Pistons & Barrel's total seal 2nd ring

Cam           Engle FK87 and Steel Magnum Straight Cuts

Heads        Jeff Denham 42X37 Ti valves and retainers

Rockers      1.54 Berg,  chromolly push rods  Scat lifters

C/R           10.5 to 1 HP 165 HP @ Flywheel @ just over 7000 and best 12.45 et now 11.75 to 1 not dynoed but best et 12.20   

Ignition      Mag. (Reworked advance springs and weights)

Carbs         48 IDA's

Exhaust     1 5/8 Merge with twin QP or stinger when racing

Flywheel    12 lb 8 Doweled and wedgemated

Clutch       Kennedy stage 1 Black magic Disc

Oil pump   Berg 30mm  Berg pump cover

Sump       Berg 1 1/2 Qt

Pulleys      Berg equalizer power pulley

Times above are with slicks no fan belt and a stinger, car weighs in at 1584lbs with me in it.

Hey Peter, so glad you chimed in, your car and engine combo rocks mate, exactly what Cal Look should be..........keep it up
PS Got any videos of your car @ the strip?

[Peter Shattock]

Thanks Fish, glad you like it.

The best film footage is on the OFFDRC DVD (read club sales pitch), along with a load of other cars which make mine look very pedestrian. But as you ask, a friend pointed me to a youtube clip last week, which must have been taken about 4 years ago, its a rubbish clip and I nearly miss the shift to second and over rev badly so its not the sort of run to advertise in normal circumstances, but the crowd reaction is quite funny, as I'm racing a 2wd Skyline with a load of wiz bang pop under the bonnet at an custom car event. Its funny how there are so many fast AC VW's around these days, yet Jo public is still surprised when a VW wins!

There is another funny part to this storey, as after the racem, two teenage kids came up to me and asked if I just beat "that Skyline", I said yes, and one guy turned to the other and said that's a pint you owe me.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xUhU06H2JwA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/xUhU06H2JwA</a>

Hot VW's are such a waste of time, effort and money in the big scheme of things, but they do make you smile.

Peter

[ESH]

... Hot VW's are such a waste of time, effort and money in the big scheme of things, but they do make you smile ...

You said it! 

[jamiep_jamiep]

they do make you smile.

Which is as good a reason as I can think of for wasting time effort & money on something!

[63 ripper]

 But as you ask, a friend pointed me to a youtube clip last week, which must have been taken about 4 years ago, its a rubbish clip and I nearly miss the shift to second and over rev badly so its not the sort of run to advertise in normal circumstances, but the crowd reaction is quite funny, as I'm racing a 2wd Skyline with a load of wiz bang pop under the bonnet at an custom car event.

I think that was at Thorney Island ?
I took this picture there,but i forget which year. cool car

[Peter Shattock]

I'm hopeless with dates, but it was the last year that they ran the event at Thorney Island, as I remember looking forward to it the next year, but it never happened, and they moved it to Romsey I think, but there's no track at the new venue.

I remember a nice line up of JG54 cars park off to the left of the start line, but didn't get a chance to have a look round them as I had a few problems to sort out that weekend as I managed to pull an inlet manifold stud from the head early Sat morning so missed a load of racing with a failed attempt at a fix in the day but got it sorted Sat afternoon evening and raced Sunday.

Dave Dinning was there that weekend as well, with his car pre paint and Lee Maynard's 1968cc N/A loan motor and he was one of the fastest cars there I think.

Great show its a shame the racing was dropped when it moved, as its always good to race the Jap and V8 boys.

I think we better get back on topic now!

Peter

[fish]

Those Fumio's would be real nice, you getting good mileage....nice.

[BeetleBug]

Dynoed it yet?

My guess; 205hp at the crank with the belt. Add 12hp  more without the belt.

Best rgs
BB

Future Engine (have all the parts  ):  2332cc

Crankshaft:     84mm Demello, wedgemated to 12.5 lbs flywheel
Rods:             Demello 5.500" H-beam connecting rods
Piston/Cyl:      Mahle 94mm, valve pockets
Camshaft:       CB2296 w/CB 1.4 Rockers, Udo Lifters
Heads:           Jeff Denham race heads, 46x37.5 valves
Compression:   Targeting 12-13 to 1
Exhaust:         Kymco 1 7/8" merged with custom Flowmaster 2 1/2" muffler
Ignition:          MSD
Induction:       JayCee Ent. prepped Italian IDA's, Opened to 51.5mm, 46mm venturis, Berg Linkage, Skat Trak intake manifolds

Estimated h.p.:  Any guesses?

[Rasser]

 
Type 4
1971ccm
71x94
42x36 heads
webcam 494 (280 degrees)
1.3:1 rockers
9:1 CR
1½" merged header
48IDA with 34 vents.
electronic 009 inside magneto

136hp/5700rpm  185nm/4600rpm (have a look at that flat torque curve).
You have too add the transmission/wheel loss to see the actual numbers (beneath the x axis).

Runs 150km/h all day without overheating, and it´s lots of fun even though it only has 136hp/5700rpm. The low rpm torque makes this engine really driveable, and it still has the power to be fun. To me it´s the perfect combo of fun and reliability. Best engine I ever built!

I know a lot of you think that type 4 is a big NO NO when it comes to cal-look, but I love it 

[fish]

I am personally a huge fan of cal look T4, had one pretty much the same as yours except for :

41 x 34 light port good velocity heads
webcam 163/86B
1700 rockers solid shafts
9.5:1CR
1 5/8 merged
48 IDF
009 Pertronix

128hp 192nm, awesome street engine in almost full weight 1500 beetle, I miss that engine.
In the process of building a 66 or 71/101.6 using Chev pistons and Deutz Cylinders w/ 44 x 36 heads groove sealed, 10:1CR, 45 Dells, Magneto.

[rick m]

DKK Fred,

You will love your motor combo. That is almost the exact combo I ran in my CHOP TOP for a while, with the exception of the cam.  I ran an ENGLE 110. It worked perfect. I just freshened up the motor and I am stuffing it in my OVAL WINDOW as a good reliable driver.

Rick Mortensen

[Rennsurfer]

I know a lot of you think that type 4 is a big NO NO when it comes to cal-look, but I love it 

Forget what people think. If your name is on the title to the car... then you get to build the car to your specifications. The first rule is; there are no rules. By the way, that Type 4 engine in that beige car is one of the best looking Cal Look power plants I've ever seen.

DKK Fred,

You will love your motor combo. That is almost the exact combo I ran in my CHOP TOP for a while, with the exception of the cam.  I ran an ENGLE 110. It worked perfect. I just freshened up the motor and I am stuffing it in my OVAL WINDOW as a good reliable driver.

Thank you, Rick. That's what I'm looking for... a mild daily driver engine that'll cruise the freeways and coastal highways for long periods of time. I might go with a bigger cam, though.

[Jim Ratto]

when I worked @ BH there was this guy that brough all his engine stuff to us to build. Rob in the back built the thing up and got it in the car for the guy. Car looked like a real pile.... you would have never expected it to stomp on 5.0 Mustangs... but oh boy...

It was an 1835 with Engle K8 or K10, typical "So-cal" welded heads, big egg-ports, weld across top of intakes, 1.4 Autocraft rockers and dual 44DCNF Webers. The guy left the shop driveway and stood on it and wasted the tires thru 3rd gear, taking up 3 lanes... it was a religious experience watching him go.