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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2009, 06:49:21 am » |
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thats a cool old digger. but im sure that over in europe they have the same stringent rules like they have here. unless they have a nostalic class and keep a leash on them to some extent . thanks for sharing that ole. UD .
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2009, 13:00:51 pm » |
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2009, 16:07:07 pm » |
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hello rebel. iteresting subject. i like your thinking. in 1984 i had a great time in a small wheel base dragster i think less than 150inch. it belong to a gentalman named larry vanwilligin GREAT GUY !! he ran the digger in numerous early bug ins at the county. running in the low/ hi 10s deppending on the engine he had for it. 1679 seemed to work the best for the little digg. i ran my 2175 wich was producing 215 back then it went 10.24 at 132. @ 3000 ft elv. 800 lbs of pure hell what a blast. if your seeing this larry thanks again good buddy. not a total rear engine like you discuss but with no engine spacer and mid engine and VERY VERY SHORT. lets just say the thing was easy on gear boxes 3 speed 2ND 3RD 4TH and the clincher 4.86 RP the darn thing never broke. i gusse whighing in at poatao chip wight helped alot . its on my BUCKET LIST TO DRIVE ONE AGAIN cant wait. love the green one above bitchen little ride . the SNOOZE YA LOOZE. UD . I hear the "Snooz YA Looz" is still somewhere in OC. In the early eighties, Larry let me put my 2.0 liter motor in the dragster and run it at OCIR . I missed the shift betweem 2nd and 3rd (forgetting that I started in 2nd) and my engiine went away in 4th. I still ran a 12.50 @ 127mph. It was so light, each gear was like an explosion. |
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2009, 16:40:29 pm » |
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hello scott. do i know you im sure i do its just been awhile. the last i seen the snooze was at my shop in 93 me and my hired hand very talented by the way were racing it at big willes terminal ieland. with my 74x92 pump gas ida,s it went 11.0s for got the mph. i like your decription of the thing EXPLOSION IN EVERY GEAR. aint that the truth. larry told me the car was originaly desinged for sand drags. then when the postman sold the car to some girl in another state for sand drags that what he told me . thanks for coming on scott . sorry if i hijaked the thread. UD .
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2009, 17:37:36 pm » |
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Hey jeff, What dragster where you and dean lowery tuneing on the fuel injection at donny guerroes shop? Must have been 10-12 years ago.
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« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2009, 01:33:27 am » |
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the long one danny. were you there when the throtell got stuck open here we are running around trying to shut the thing down PANIC STRUCK! luckily it was the 1805cc that like to rev. dean was great with the hillborn system he new that like the back of his hand i couldent have tunned it with out him. if only i had one of the turbos they have today the thing would have flew. it went 143mph in third gear alone but crap for ET. a to4b on a 1800cc dont like to boost on low end to well but once you get if half track it comes on like a freit trane.UD .
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2009, 05:48:06 am » |
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the NAIL is the coolest digger since sliced bread. im sure alot of v8 guys are very very intimidated buy that BEAST for sure  i love it i would just once like to see there JAWS drop when one of there fellow v8 buddys gets sawed in half with half the clys. especialy on one of those 6 sec BLASTS. UD . |
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2009, 18:22:00 pm » |
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Hey
We love the old style dragsters vw and V8 my brother has the 2 and if you want to build a old style dragster use your imagination and everything depends on which engine you will use and you must decide what game you get involved ( what ET and Speed )
we do this finally for fun
regards Lenard Otto
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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2009, 07:53:30 am » |
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Hi Ottobrothers!
You guys are heros to me for the combination of Mosquito and the pick up.
Me and my racing partner transported our VW dragster on the back of a VW pickup for years and we did play with the idea of rebuilding it by stretch bed and custombuilt racing box on top.
Our dragster was considrebaly longer than Mosquito and with a normal VW single cab bed the front wheel stuck out on ramps 2 meters behind the pick up bed. Looked really strange but worked.
Building of the VW pickup never materialized as we bought an old International Harvester pick up and built the racing box on that instead.
Since some few years back the renovation of the old dragster is taking slowly slowly place and the idea of a VW pick up also circulated as a nice dream.
You guys just put reality to this and I love it.
Well done. Thanks!
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« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2009, 15:33:12 pm » |
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Hey Frallan
It is nice to meet you here on the lounge so i hope to stay in contact with you
We did not now that you build so great things over all these years and we love all your old stuff and pics
Here some more pics for you and Rebel from us
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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2009, 15:37:36 pm » |
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Hi Ottobrothers!
You guys are heros to me for the combination of Mosquito and the pick up.
Me and my racing partner transported our VW dragster on the back of a VW pickup for years and we did play with the idea of rebuilding it by stretch bed and custombuilt racing box on top.
Our dragster was considrebaly longer than Mosquito and with a normal VW single cab bed the front wheel stuck out on ramps 2 meters behind the pick up bed. Looked really strange but worked.
Building of the VW pickup never materialized as we bought an old International Harvester pick up and built the racing box on that instead.
Since some few years back the renovation of the old dragster is taking slowly slowly place and the idea of a VW pick up also circulated as a nice dream.
You guys just put reality to this and I love it.
Well done. Thanks!
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« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2009, 15:52:45 pm » |
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« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2009, 16:58:45 pm » |
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Very cool pictures and build.
Thanks for sharing.
Seeing the Pick up motivates me even more.
One day, one day I hope we will see many VW dragsters gathered in one place.
Let me propose SCC as location?
(Or should I ralize my own ideas of doing an international VW event in Malmö Sweden? Or get someoen to do it.
Meca dragway is a super track and location although only 1/8th. Very centrally located for international visitors.)
In Sweden I know of four rails:
Umeå NA mid engine dragster. T1 inverted gearbox
Mats Herrlanders old Blown Boxer now in new ownership with turbo 1600 cc 911 head engine. Mid engine and long version with PG.
Ove Nilsson Stockholm. Slingshot with turbo. I do not know more about the car.
My own Pank dragster and will run supercharged T1 with 911 head and T2 automatic.
Lets add Mosquito and then of course you Rebel.....
Anyone else? Or any other potentials?
Someone buying a turbo rail with bigblock from US? Can not run them there but on our VW events we could. Just throwing out ideas.
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« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2009, 18:48:42 pm » |
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 Is it a Kugelfischer? |
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« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2009, 19:04:45 pm » |
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Is it a Kugelfischer? yes Ole we going to run 1600 cc oil cooled heads and some hilborn 1 manifolds that we have from Don Pauter his sand dragster 30 year ago hey loved the dragster projekt so Ole you have to come in on the dragsters hahahahaha more info and pics too come |
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2009, 20:34:22 pm » |
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yes Ole
we going to run 1600 cc oil cooled heads and some hilborn 1 manifolds that we have from Don Pauter his sand dragster 30 year ago hey loved the dragster projekt
Sounds great, I love mechanical injections so Ole you have to come in on the dragsters hahahahaha
Hhmm, you know I already had something going on, but it didn't work...  Right now I'm doing a street car, if the result is boring me I'll might do a race car again...   Saludos, Ole |
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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2009, 21:35:45 pm » |
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thankyou also for the cool pictures . otto bros just curios how qwic will the track let you go over there with that frame just curios . UD . |
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2009, 22:40:50 pm » |
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Thanks, guys! I've seen your combo ath the EBI3 and it sooo cool  I did not take many pictures of it, cause I wasn't much into the subject then... My build is rather a rough plan for the future, as the bug and the bus have priority in completition. I'm thinking about finding some kind of sponsorship to make it more possible. |
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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2009, 04:16:47 am » |
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Lenard, thanks for posting, those are some cool pictures.
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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2009, 12:26:28 pm » |
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Hi Jeff
We have no rules for a dragster so i think and hope too go for the 10 sec or we can run what you bring they are flexible in europe
We have no experience with the dragster so we do everything step by step
I think we will be careful with the driving behavior on the track we will have to look out for the wind and cross winds
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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2009, 15:47:24 pm » |
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As a word of caution, it could be good if you guys look at the international rules, if you haven't already.
Some good simple tips of survival can be picked up.
Just for example the steering column support built in such a way that it will not push/penetrate the steering wheel in the face.
Accelerator pedal only with push pull morse and loop on the pedal so you can retrieve it forcibly with your foot.
Main switch accessible from outside with clear on/off.
Apart from safety, in any case, you will with 99% probability need a good and long set up of wheelie bars.
We evolved our wheelie bars in to something very long and finally last year we ran them even very flexible and "pre-loaded".
The Pro specialist complained and said it was wrong setup but when they heard we ran low 10's and only just above 200km/h with 170 hp, it proved a very well working chassis.
Without the wheelie bars we just got lost in the start.
With correct pre-load the wheelie bars just were part of a kind of suspension system.
The tires collapsed few inches in launch, the wheelie bars were set to just offload the front wheels so the just barely lifted and off she went.
Releasing the clutch completely shook the entire car and all the al plates rattled. Good feeling that neither me nor Bengt remembered the first season as we were to reved up on just driving the car.
Later when we got a little bit more experienced we even knew what the rev counter was showing.......fun memories.
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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2009, 16:53:06 pm » |
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good point frallan. some kind of collapsible steering deffenetly needs to be in the works. would hate to see anybody EAT a butterfly for breakfast . thanks otto for the pics i need to move over there you guys are having to much fun . maybe in my retirerment if i make it that far . UD . |
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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2009, 21:51:42 pm » |
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i need to move over there you guys are having to much fun . maybe in my retirerment if i make it that far . UD . visit us next in 2 years for the ebi#4 you will have a chance to see the digger racing .............  fabs |
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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2009, 09:49:39 am » |
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As a word of caution, it could be good if you guys look at the international rules, if you haven't already.
Some good simple tips of survival can be picked up.
Just for example the steering column support built in such a way that it will not push/penetrate the steering wheel in the face.
Accelerator pedal only with push pull morse and loop on the pedal so you can retrieve it forcibly with your foot.
Main switch accessible from outside with clear on/off.
Apart from safety, in any case, you will with 99% probability need a good and long set up of wheelie bars.
We evolved our wheelie bars in to something very long and finally last year we ran them even very flexible and "pre-loaded".
The Pro specialist complained and said it was wrong setup but when they heard we ran low 10's and only just above 200km/h with 170 hp, it proved a very well working chassis.
Without the wheelie bars we just got lost in the start.
With correct pre-load the wheelie bars just were part of a kind of suspension system.
The tires collapsed few inches in launch, the wheelie bars were set to just offload the front wheels so the just barely lifted and off she went.
Releasing the clutch completely shook the entire car and all the al plates rattled. Good feeling that neither me nor Bengt remembered the first season as we were to reved up on just driving the car.
Later when we got a little bit more experienced we even knew what the rev counter was showing.......fun memories.
As Frallan says, it might be worth looking at the international rules. You may need a couple of extra tubes in the cage, but nothing too major! The collapsible sterring column is a good idea too - maybe a couple of universal joints? EDIT - I've got a 2005 MSA rule book at home - I'll have a quick look at anything in there if you want? I know it's out of date (that was the last year I raced!) but it might be useful! |
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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2009, 16:38:16 pm » |
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..you guys know. just would like to see you live another day is all . UD
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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2009, 14:08:26 pm » |
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Hi Ottobros,
I really hope I did not offend you and my input was in no way crtitising the current build as I do love it!
I was simply pointing at the small quick wins that can be done without any major effort but make a big difference.
In the steering column, all you need is a welded flange in front of a support block to avoid the column to travel in wrong direction, if the unthinkable happens.
Roll cage I personally should be Ok and not a problem even if rules in Sweden require two more supports.
We had to add two to the original design when my friend Mats Herrlander borrowed the car in 1991 to race in Germany.
Not so beautifully added and it ruined some of the original pearl paint. Still Ok modification and it was simply needed.
I hope to restore the fram with same paint scheme now.
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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 16:33:09 pm » |
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... Not a good detailed picture of the car but still you can see the two extra roll loops we added...and my daughter 8 years ago ...
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