How much money to run 10s in a street car?now with part2, The evolution to turbo

[richie]

Any more progress Richie?

Nope, haven't had much spare time and I have put it to one side as i am waiting for some pistons to arrive to do deck height as I used the set I had here for a customer, so have been putting the New cab engine together to get that out the way.

cheers Richie

[Rocket Ron]

Enough talking has been done so time do actually make this happen. So starting with the engine, I am not going to go into every detail, we all know the basis of what makes them work
I am going to use remote oil pressure relief so 1st thing was to block off the bleed hole for the pulley end oil plunger, simple drill out and tap for a plug, at the flywheel end I just use two plungers and shorten one slightly so they are bottomed out tight when the plug is fitted.
Then everything got cleaned and assembled, short motor now together so deck height next

cheers Richie

Is this something that may be worth doing for a milder street engine that is being rebuilt soon?

[richie]

Enough talking has been done so time do actually make this happen. So starting with the engine, I am not going to go into every detail, we all know the basis of what makes them work
I am going to use remote oil pressure relief so 1st thing was to block off the bleed hole for the pulley end oil plunger, simple drill out and tap for a plug, at the flywheel end I just use two plungers and shorten one slightly so they are bottomed out tight when the plug is fitted.
Then everything got cleaned and assembled, short motor now together so deck height next

cheers Richie

Is this something that may be worth doing for a milder street engine that is being rebuilt soon?

Hi Ron

there are lots of variables and it isn't for everyone for sure

I will Pm you about it reference the engine you mentioned


cheers Richie

[Rocket Ron]

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[Dead Dog]

Good to see this on the go again.
Like the sound of your oil system

[henk]

hallo Richie,

are still working on this project?

henk!!!

[richie]

hi Henk

I haven't been much, but am still, the heater channels were welded to the pan and I decided rather than just patch it I would swap in new channels and pan halves, I just haven't had time or room to do that yet, with some other projects leaving I now have room, next just need the time

I have got all the mechanical stuff so the actual build should be pretty quick

cheers Richie

[henk]

Like always,time.
Good it isn't  stopt complete.
Looking forward for some progress.

Henk!!!

[richie]

So my new pan halves should be here in the next couple of weeks so over xmas beak I am going to cut the old pans out, convert it to IRS, put adjusters in the beam,put that back together and get everything ready so as soon as they I arrive I can get them on and drop the body back on to do the heater channels, then the plan is to take it to get the cage done as soon as it can be fitted in, hoping to get it back end of february and put it all together as a mock up build and go from their.

Would be nice to be able to drive it by time Volksworld show is on


cheers Richie

[richie]

Finally got started, after clearing all the junk that had piled up on the pan over the last 6 months I dragged it out and finished stripping it, the rust had taken hold bad enough that new pans were definately needed

[richie]

I stripped the old pans off and then as I dont have the new pan halfs yet I moved onto the IRS conversion, removing the un needed swingaxle plates, then cutting out the frame forks to allow the IRS bracket to fit in place with the aid of the jigs

[nicolas]

idiot question prehaps, but how many shims are used in an IRS setup (between the brackets) and are they left and right from the arms?
it's that i have never had a setup that was original or complete to start with.

[richie]

idiot question prehaps, but how many shims are used in an IRS setup (between the brackets) and are they left and right from the arms?
it's that i have never had a setup that was original or complete to start with.

Hi Nicolas


2 washer/shims per side on everything i have worked on, and they seem to usually seem to be on the same side of the arm, mainly on the inside next to the frame fork but i do set the ones I convert to one on each side

cheers Richie

[kev d]

Coming on nicely mate

[nicolas]

idiot question prehaps, but how many shims are used in an IRS setup (between the brackets) and are they left and right from the arms?
it's that i have never had a setup that was original or complete to start with.

Hi Nicolas


2 washer/shims per side on everything i have worked on, and they seem to usually seem to be on the same side of the arm, mainly on the inside next to the frame fork but i do set the ones I convert to one on each side

cheers Richie

OK thank you. i'll hopefully can work on the chassis and do it correct now.

take care.

[richie]

Finished fitting the other side, then put a solid gearbox mount in to stop the frame forks moving while I weld it up.


Next I put a gearbox in and fitted a mid mount, it fitted really well without any grinding or clearancing which is nice

[richie]

Mid mount welded in, next onto the beam and fitting the adjusters, next I need to clearance the frame forks for the CVs

[richie]

Today I got time to clearance the frame forks for the CVs, I allowed some extra room for a 930 size  CV "just in case I want to go bigger" later   Also while I was in their I seam welded the frame forks outer edges, I have seen them split open on real high milage stock cars and high Hp cars that have had a hard life, it was easier to do it now than go back in later

cheers Richie

[Lee.C]

Nice work.

[Lids]

Now the frame forks have been clearanced.  They seem a lot thinner than stock.  What do you think the chances of bending are?  I know you have seam welded them which will add some strength, but they just look fragile to me.

[Eddie DVK]

Now the frame forks have been clearanced.  They seem a lot thinner than stock.  What do you think the chances of bending are?  I know you have seam welded them which will add some strength, but they just look fragile to me.

^^ this and why not just raise the trans like +/- 2cm... never see people do that on streetcars??? is that because of space problems.
It lowers the tires neatly in the wings also.

[BeetleBug]

never see people do that on streetcars??? is that because of space problems.
It lowers the tires neatly in the wings also.

Then you have to look closer. Lowering the rear "Pro Stock" style is more or less a standard lowering method in Sweden  Not everyone like the style and you do run into some other challenges too.

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[leec]

I reckon Richie knows what he's doing

[richie]

Now the frame forks have been clearanced.  They seem a lot thinner than stock.  What do you think the chances of bending are?  I know you have seam welded them which will add some strength, but they just look fragile to me.

^^ this and why not just raise the trans like +/- 2cm... never see people do that on streetcars??? is that because of space problems.
It lowers the tires neatly in the wings also.

Raising an IRS trans doesnt do anything to the tyres height, what is does do though is move the engine up the same amount creating several issues, shroud can hit decklid hinges, big carbs or throttle bodies hit decklid, engine tin doesnt seal round edges anymore, standard merged header hits rear apron

 
cheers Richie

[richie]

Now the frame forks have been clearanced.  They seem a lot thinner than stock.  What do you think the chances of bending are?  I know you have seam welded them which will add some strength, but they just look fragile to me.

Its possible that they will bend the last 10-12cm maybe, factory IRS is also thinner their and vw thought it was ok, the cage will tie in just in front of the axle which helps but the section after isnt supported, but you have to remember with a solid mouted trans its all tied together through the trans as well, th eweld in mid mount would have to bend for anything to happen, also a traction bar would help even more.

I have consider adding a tube under the frame forks long ways to add some extra bracing as well, still thinking about that one


cheers Richie

[richie]

never see people do that on streetcars??? is that because of space problems.
It lowers the tires neatly in the wings also.

Then you have to look closer. Lowering the rear "Pro Stock" style is more or less a standard lowering method in Sweden  Not everyone like the style and you do run into some other challenges too.

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Do they do raised torsion housing or just raised trans?

cheers Richie

[BeetleBug]

Do they do raised torsion housing or just raised trans?

cheers Richie

They raise the torsion housing. I have plenty of pics if interested.

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[Russell]

I know the intention of this post was to build a 10 sec street car cheap... but fuck me by the time this is finished we wont be allowed to use pump gas cars on the street (2008-2015) even Wray could beat this....

Now sitting back and waiting for the abuse 

Happy New Year.

[richie]

I know the intention of this post was to build a 10 sec street car cheap... but fuck me by the time this is finished we wont be allowed to use pump gas cars on the street (2008-2015) even Wray could beat this....

Now sitting back and waiting for the abuse 

Happy New Year.

you finished that 67 yet? 

I have been waiting for unleaded to get below 50p a litrre so I could afford to drive it and it looks close now

[richie]

Do they do raised torsion housing or just raised trans?

cheers Richie

They raise the torsion housing. I have plenty of pics if interested.

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Please do, but it wont gain any cv to frame fork clearance will it?

cheers Richie