Reliable N/A 225-230hp type 1 engine?

[-Alex-]

Who at europ can do this kind of thrust setup if i decide to buy flanged crank?  Case will be TF-1

[neil68]

Just received the MS230 heads for my 2332 cc and will be running with IDA's, 10.5:1 CR, etc, again.

Any ideas on camshafts?  I'm currently using a Web 226 which has 278 degrees at 0.050" and 0.570 lift (with 1.4 rockers).

Also, have a Web 86C on hand.  Perhaps I should make the jump to an FK89 (282/0.582") or Web 251 (285/0.588")?  Would like to get low 12's or even an 11.99 ET in my heavy Beetle (2000 lb with driver).

[drgouk]

Just received the MS230 heads for my 2332 cc and will be running with IDA's, 10.5:1 CR, etc, again.

Any ideas on camshafts?  I'm currently using a Web 226 which has 278 degrees at 0.050" and 0.570 lift (with 1.4 rockers).

Also, have a Web 86C on hand.  Perhaps I should make the jump to an FK89 (282/0.582") or Web 251 (285/0.588")?  Would like to get low 12's or even an 11.99 ET in my heavy Beetle (2000 lb with driver).

I would look at one of Johanes Raptor cams, Sounds like he has spent alot of time on his cam pro getting the ramps to work with alot less spring pressure.

[TexasTom]

Just received the MS230 heads for my 2332 cc and will be running with IDA's, 10.5:1 CR, etc, again.

Any ideas on camshafts?  I'm currently using a Web 226 which has 278 degrees at 0.050" and 0.570 lift (with 1.4 rockers).

Also, have a Web 86C on hand.  Perhaps I should make the jump to an FK89 (282/0.582") or Web 251 (285/0.588")?  Would like to get low 12's or even an 11.99 ET in my heavy Beetle (2000 lb with driver).

YES! Complete the package ... JPM heads & complete valve-train. Makes sense ...
TxT

I would look at one of Johanes Raptor cams, Sounds like he has spent alot of time on his cam pro getting the ramps to work with alot less spring pressure.

[-Alex-]

Oh sorry,  i didnt notice that here is more posts


I plan to use raptor cam, but not yet don't know what. Here is complete(?) list of raptor cams:


251° 10.0mm
258° 9.57mm
263° 9.64mm
274° 10.35mm
280° 10.50mm
282° 10.7mm
287° 11.43mm
293° 11.25mm


Johannes recommended 282 degree @0.050" cam, but i may put 274 or 280 degree cam. I need torque to move steel bodied beetle fast with stock ratios Finnish racer Jarmo Lummi says that heavy stock bodied beetles  need more lift than degrees, i think there is some truth

I have bought some new parts from DRD, bugpack 86 stroke flanged crank and scat 5.7" rods. I am planning to use similar bronze thrust bearing  setup as jeff denham is using, just need carefull planning and few junk cases to try first. With cad design i think i could design the bronze shims and drilling jig.  I have decided to skip 94mm pistons, so i have sold my wisecos and doghouse cooling stuff (except yet new DH cooler), nickies are still on my long waiting list...and 98+ bore.

Neil, have you thought fuel injection? I have 2x48 tb's for my engine with megasquirt. Newer actually driven with them, but hoping to get better throttle response. Your cam sounds okay, but it is possible to get few hp with similar degree raptor cam, and surely it will work wery well with MS230 heads

Just received the MS230 heads for my 2332 cc and will be running with IDA's, 10.5:1 CR, etc, again.

Any ideas on camshafts?  I'm currently using a Web 226 which has 278 degrees at 0.050" and 0.570 lift (with 1.4 rockers).

Also, have a Web 86C on hand.  Perhaps I should make the jump to an FK89 (282/0.582") or Web 251 (285/0.588")?  Would like to get low 12's or even an 11.99 ET in my heavy Beetle (2000 lb with driver).

[-Alex-]

Ok, TF-1 case for 101.6 barrels and 101.6 Nickies are coming slowly...maybe before christmas

What size merged header for 2789cc 250+hp engine?  I was thinking 1 7/8" = 47mm, also it should be stainless. Where to get? Turbothomas? Remmele recommends 48mm primary tube header for 250hp engine.

And what cooling system? 36hp style fan housing with latemodel doghouse fan or porsche fan? Obviously doghouse cooler cannot be used..

Yes, i will build this kind of engine..and post pictures... 

[-Alex-]

I got my LN engineering custom cylinders and JE pistons, holy ****! I have never had so light and shiny pistons and cylinders

Pistons are FSR type, even lighter and stronger than normal JE, they are with 27mm compression height.  

Cylinders are with 94mm mahle outer dimensions and WBX stud spacing.

Ok, now waiting "the experts" come to say these are totally unnecessary 

[richie]

Ok, TF-1 case for 101.6 barrels and 101.6 Nickies are coming slowly...maybe before christmas

What size merged header for 2789cc 250+hp engine?  

I got my LN engineering custom cylinders and


Cylinders are with 94mm mahle outer dimensions and WBX stud spacing.

So did you not go for 101.6 bore? I dont understand what you mean by 94mm mahle outer dimensions and wbx stud pattern,the studs dont look far enough apart for wbx pattern if that is 94mm bore?


cheers richie

[-Alex-]

Sorry, yes they are 101.6mm, i did design with LN the outer dimensions close 94mm cylinder dimensions. Stud spacing is indeed WBX. I'll take soon picture with 94mm iron cylinder.

[richie]

   That makes more sense

cheers richie

[-Alex-]

Yeah, the cylinders feel quite solid. Wall thickness looks good on both ends.  Fins are only 1,8mm thick and 2,3mm apart  


For the TF-1 case and flanged crank, i am goiing to use bronze thrust setup at  No 1. main, Todd at precisionalloy recommended this way and he has done some designing about it.


Car will be hardcore germanlook style 1300 beetle with porsche brakes and mendeola a-arm front suspension

[-Alex-]

I got the heads from Thorsten Pieper; reason i went with his heads, because they are tried and tested well cooling heads, even i have my own cad 3d model of the heads.

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,21032.0.html

Case is also soon here, with Roger Crawford installed bronze thrust bearing setup and porsche oilsquirters.

[-Alex-]

Got some valvetrain parts, JPM Ti retainers, Manley 48x38 117mm valves, Berg locks, 13/12mm guides.

Later JPM dual springs and seats, and then to the headporter.

[-Alex-]

TF-1 case arrived with hoses, it looks so nice compared to autolinea cases. I checked the hoselenght to car and it seems there is enough for front oilcooler mount and drysump installation. BMW main bearings and bronze thrustbearing came with case. I did trial assembly with crank, cylinders and heads.


The camshaft, connecting rods and oil pump are still missing. I did order from demontweeks a 360x190 (5.7 liters) drysump tank with Mocal thermostat.

End play is pretty tight, about 0.05mm, i will have to sand a bit bronze bearings on the glass. Due to a TF-1 case through bolts and 4 "bore cylinders i had to take a little bit material from cylinders, and possibly to get smaller diameter washers under througbolts.

There was also problem with TF-1 and LN engineering / ARP headstuds, because TF-1 case has no provision for 3rd cylinder deepstud, and ARP kit has one deep stud like stock or normal performance studs.

Also ARP studs for type 1 nickies arent available any more. Todd Francis does not recommend the make the thread deeper - but no problem, fortunately Raceware has suitable headstud set that is approved by LN Engineering and they also use them  now.

I am also thinkin to make cad designed rear mount, because case has bus style rear mount.

[-Alex-]

  First i was lazy after posting this to finnish VW forum, so i translated this text with google translator:




Lohkokin already arrived with hoses, hienohan it is. Hoses seems perfectly adequate to get away and are really flexible teräspunosteflonletkuiksi. BMW main bearings and bronze päittäisvälyslaakerit block. I heaped a trial basis in the crankshaft, cylinders and lids with.

The camshaft, connecting rods and oil pump are still missing. 360x190 (5.7 liters) in size kuivasumppusäiliö ordered Mocalin with the thermostat.

End play pretty tight, about 0.05mm, will have to grind a bit päätymmäisiä bronze glass. TF-1 block through bolts and 4 "bore cylinders because had to take a dremel stuff and possibly lower sweepings through bolts.

LN Engineering kansipulttien with became a problem, because in three bowl long tiller bolt, Todd Francis does not recommend the thread to do deeper - no emergency, fortunately Racewarelta can be found in ST Engineering's recommended preferably suitable cover bolt kit and that the LN engineering using T1 and T4 engines, I understand that the ARP brought kansipulttien price time briskly

[Jesse/DVK]

Wow this looks nice!

[NoBars]

Roller cam?

[-Alex-]

At the moment i am just thinking JPM cam, the 282 degree one, JPM recommended that. I have Udo Becker light tool steel lifters. Case has also porsche oilsquirters.

[Donny B.]

2 plugs per cylinder...?

[TexasTom]

Looks like it, Donny!
Wow! This should really be something else when you get 'er going, Alex! Very Nice!

There are some really impressive builds going on lately ...
TxT

[-Alex-]

Yes, Thorsten heads have two plugs per cylinder - i dont know what distributor he uses, but i will use dual wasted spark coils from 034 motorsport.

[Dead Dog]

OOOOOOOOOFF 

[K-Roc]

Yes, Thorsten heads have two plugs per cylinder - i dont know what distributor he uses, but i will use dual wasted spark coils from 034 motorsport.

Don't use a distributor, Go crank trigger with coil drivers to your wasted spark coils..... eezy peezy..

[-Alex-]

Of course triggerwheel - i am using megasquirt.

[NoBars]

You got everything else, go roller.

[-Alex-]

Why roller for street and trackday engine?   You need heavy springs etc.  JPM cams and light valvetrain works wery well

[-Alex-]

I am also thinking to use Scat 5.7 H-beams, should be adequate. I dont know the current Pauter rod price, but Carrillos are at least $1500.

[Udo]

take the lightweight pauter and you have rods for a longer time than the others

Udo

[-Alex-]

Pauters are $898 - considering them.  How much lighter is it compared to a Scat etc?

[TexasTom]

Considering the production process of them all against price point, Pauters are a GREAT deal!
Hell, I think I've just convinced myself to buy a set! LOL
 
TxT