Small powerhouses and old school

[Gabetion2000]

Hello everybody,
I am a first time poster in the cal look lounge. And I have to say that this forum is awesome. Especially this thread. I have alway been
interested in mouse motors ,and planned on building one in the future. Awesome info guys. Keep it up.

Gabe Scott
Ventura,CA
USA

[BeetleBug]

Hello everybody,
I am a first time poster in the cal look lounge. And I have to say that this forum is awesome. Especially this thread. I have alway been
interested in mouse motors ,and planned on building one in the future. Awesome info guys. Keep it up.

Gabe Scott
Ventura,CA
USA

Hi Gabe and welcome to The Lounge! Don`t forget to keep the rest of us in the loop when you start building your mouse engine.

Best rgs
BeetleBug

[Jon]

When you have decided the closing point chose duration so the intake valve does not hit the piston at tdc including the depth of your valve pockets.

Could you explain this for us dummies, Johannes?

[Johannes Persson]

Hello there,

JHU, I ment that you should open the intake valve early because you want as much flow available as possible when the piston accelerates down(more flow area under the curve), but there are mekanical limitations you have to deal with(valve hitting piston).
I decided to cloce the intake valve 57deg abdc @ 0,05", then the fk45 became a good choise together with 1,55:1 rockers.
I am close to 6mm lift @ tdc so the valvepockets are pritty deep.
Maybe I am not clear enought ,please let me know.

Regads
Johannes

[Jon]

That helped quite a bit, thanks. 

[Eddie DVK]

Damn I speechless and that doesn t happen that often.
Very very cool and that with stock parts appart from the pistons..
......
Where can I bring mine 1600............

[Jim Ratto]

Hello everybody,
I am a first time poster in the cal look lounge. And I have to say that this forum is awesome. Especially this thread. I have alway been
interested in mouse motors ,and planned on building one in the future. Awesome info guys. Keep it up.

Gabe Scott
Ventura,CA
USA

Wow... a neighbor...I'm in Simi.

[Peter Shattock]

Johannes,

As suggested on here many times already great effort with the motor, and some really interesting insight, but best of all, it’s great to see someone actually doing it, rather than just talking about it.

I was wondering what fuel you were using as I see you will be running the motor on the street with the CR set at 12.3:1, also how do you find the cooling with such a high CR on the street?

Thanks again for you part in a great thread

Peter

[Johannes Persson]

Hi Peter,
Good to hear that you like the project.
I use our best pump gas "V-Power" from Shell gas stations, Shell says 99 octane.
When you are using a smaller diameter piston the heat transfer thrue the piston rings to the cylinder are better than with a bigger piston.
The area of a circle increases by the square, the circumference does not, that is why a smaller piston can use higher CR.
I always use the cooling fan from a 1303 bug then you need a really good oil cooler with electrical fan and all your cooling tins has to fit to 100%, no leakage.

Regards
Johannes

[Harry/FDK]

Fantastic Project Johannes, Youre a hard working artist !
BTW, maybe you have seen the Topic: Drilling Your Heads (Cooling Fins), by me dummy.  Do You have experimented with this ? Or maybe share your thoughts ?

Thanks,
Harry

[sonic]

Its nearly unbeliveble Johannes
Could sombody go there to witness this , longlivity and torque must be hurting , live in Baastad from time to time ,
like to visit ...
Its more effective than a 1000 RR bike  , like whatch that..
Reg
Erich.
"lot more than impressed"...

[speedwell]

how does it cost for a similar motor just simple question 

[Lee.C]

Yeah Johannes lets have a rough idea of hours/cost involved 

I would REALLY like to know how many hours went into those heads 

[Johannes Persson]

Hi there,

I will soon post a list with the parts used in the "Mouse Motor" and prices.

Monkiboy, I have spent between 40 to 50 hours on the heads from start to finish including flow tests and welding.

Regards
Johannes

[Type1/DVK]

looking forward to it! (and many others i think  )  a whole week in the heads 

[Udo]

Hi there,

I will soon post a list with the parts used in the "Mouse Motor" and prices.

Monkiboy, I have spent between 40 to 50 hours on the heads from start to finish including flow tests and welding.

Regards
Johannes

Hi Johannes
For German street use i would relocate the spark plugs .   

Udo

[Johannes Persson]

Hello,
Here is the parts list.
Most of the parts are from CB performance but some from CSP in Germany, CSP in Sweden and JPM.

IDA carb kit 1099,95
Heads 043 bare pair 211,9
CB Ti valves  503,6
OTEVA 75 valve springs 185
JPM ti retainer 173
JPM rockers 1046
Push rods 49,95
Push rod tubes 167 CSP
Cam 104
Lifters 22,95
Cam gears Magnum 172 CSP
Bearings 39,85
Oil pump 27,95
Pump cover full flow 28
JE pistons 1206
Cylinder kit 165
Fuel pump block off 4,95
009 dist 109,95
Compufire 63,95
Cables 27,95
Valve covers 12,95
Clips 5,95
Gasket kit 9,95
Oil sealing flywheel 3,95
Clutch disc 29,95
Pressure plate Kennedy 180mm 179
Flywheel bolt 56
Deep sump 105
Lash caps 12,95
Pully 18,95
Pully bolt 4,95
Cyl studs 119
Header S&S 1 5/8 332
Old engine 155


Total parts 6454 USD.

Hopefully I did not forget too many parts.

The time I spent on the total build is aprox 100 hours(night hours).

Regards
Johannes

[Jim Ratto]

Nice of you to take the time to come up and share the list... thanks Johannes

off topic, I am sorry, but could you read my thread in Cal Look section about Porsche valve timing characteristics, powerband, etc?

here it is: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?topic=4395.0

Thank you

[richie]

Hello,
Here is the parts list.
Most of the parts are from CB performance but some from CSP in Germany, CSP in Sweden and JPM.

IDA carb kit 1099,95
Heads 043 bare pair 211,9
CB Ti valves  503,6
OTEVA 75 valve springs 185
JPM ti retainer 173
JPM rockers 1046
Push rods 49,95
Push rod tubes 167 CSP
Cam 104
Lifters 22,95
Cam gears Magnum 172 CSP
Bearings 39,85
Oil pump 27,95
Pump cover full flow 28
JE pistons 1206
Cylinder kit 165
Fuel pump block off 4,95
009 dist 109,95
Compufire 63,95
Cables 27,95
Valve covers 12,95
Clips 5,95
Gasket kit 9,95
Oil sealing flywheel 3,95
Clutch disc 29,95
Pressure plate Kennedy 180mm 179
Flywheel bolt 56
Deep sump 105
Lash caps 12,95
Pully 18,95
Pully bolt 4,95
Cyl studs 119
Header S&S 1 5/8 332
Old engine 155


Total parts 6454 USD.

Hopefully I did not forget too many parts.

The time I spent on the total build is aprox 100 hours(night hours).

Regards
Johannes

Wow,there some pricey parts in there for a little 1600     Johannes which lifters did you use at only 22.95?   cheers richie,uk

[Johannes Persson]

Hi Richie,
The lifters are std VW part # 1512 at CB.

Regards
Johannes

[Udo]

Nice of you to take the time to come up and share the list... thanks Johannes

off topic, I am sorry, but could you read my thread in Cal Look section about Porsche valve timing characteristics, powerband, etc?

here it is: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?topic=4395.0

Thank you

2,0 ltr and 185 hp is the same we had on our last Käfercup circuit engiens . They worked good and the whole race season without problems

Udo

[n2o]

Hello,
Here is the parts list.
Most of the parts are from CB performance but some from CSP in Germany, CSP in Sweden and JPM.

IDA carb kit 1099,95
Heads 043 bare pair 211,9
CB Ti valves  503,6
OTEVA 75 valve springs 185
JPM ti retainer 173
JPM rockers 1046
Push rods 49,95
Push rod tubes 167 CSP
Cam 104
Lifters 22,95
Cam gears Magnum 172 CSP
Bearings 39,85
Oil pump 27,95
Pump cover full flow 28
JE pistons 1206
Cylinder kit 165
Fuel pump block off 4,95
009 dist 109,95
Compufire 63,95
Cables 27,95
Valve covers 12,95
Clips 5,95
Gasket kit 9,95
Oil sealing flywheel 3,95
Clutch disc 29,95
Pressure plate Kennedy 180mm 179
Flywheel bolt 56
Deep sump 105
Lash caps 12,95
Pully 18,95
Pully bolt 4,95
Cyl studs 119
Header S&S 1 5/8 332
Old engine 155


Total parts 6454 USD.

Hopefully I did not forget too many parts.

The time I spent on the total build is aprox 100 hours(night hours).

Regards
Johannes

Wow,there some pricey parts in there for a little 1600     Johannes which lifters did you use at only 22.95?   cheers richie,uk

Are lifters normaly expencive?

In my engines I use STD lifters (made in mexico), and when used with easy cams (nice ramp open/close) like my fk-98, I do not feel the need for anything else. (BTW its a race engine, maybe street engines need other types of lifter)

[Jon]

Thats exactly it n2o, with K800's you don't need to gamble on lifters, sticking to VW's own.... so am I, until I learn 
And a race engine has it easy compared to a street engine...

CHECK out the mouse in the house!!

http://www.griebel.blogspot.com/

[Diederick/DVK]

how about web cams? i read you can't use std lifters with those...

[Harry/FDK]

Webcam with SLR treated Lube-A-Lobes works absolutely perfect for me. (Aircooled.net)

[BeetleBug]

how about web cams? i read you can't use std lifters with those...

Why not?

[Diederick/DVK]

no idea, that's why i'm asking.
lately i've come to a conclusion that stock lifters aren't that bad after all

[BeetleBug]

As long as you have enough spring pressure I do think every lifter is good enough. To little and every lifter would pit - no matter what.

Best rgs
BB

[71CALRIPPER]

Having just read this thread while eating my cereal at work , i have a massive grin on my face.

Well done guys !!!

[n2o]

Having just read this thread while eating my cereal at work , i have a massive grin on my face.

Well done guys !!!

That must have been a big bowl of cereal..